great eduardo, one of the most direct letters on the JISC list to date!
 
all the best, leo
 
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From: The UK drawing research network mailing list on behalf of Eduardo Corte Real
Sent: Mon 25/07/2005 16:22
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Subject: Re: Drawing as Language.


Dear Michael:
 
Another unapropriate use of the word language. You can say body expression. Def language is not what we usually refer as "body language". Once is coded, it starts to function as language. 
"Body language" is responsible for most of my teenage missfortunes. If it was really a language it would have save me a lot of energy. :-)
 
 Best,
 
Eduardo

	----- Original Message ----- 
	From: Michael Jameson <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  
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	Sent: Monday, July 25, 2005 4:07 PM
	Subject: Re: Drawing as Language.

	So what's body language? Michael Jameson

		-----Original Message-----
		From: The UK drawing research network mailing list [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Eduardo Corte Real
		Sent: 25 July 2005 15:22
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		Subject: Re: Drawing as Language.
		
		
		  

		Dear All:

		 

		There are some tough questions when you face an expression such as "drawing as language". 

		One is, obviously: If drawing were a language we would call it language and not drawing. 

		From this truism we can move a little bit further: Language is of phonetic origin and is coded to represent mostly visual ideas. Most of the names have visual correspondence. Topology and chronology is taken care of by grammar. 

		Written language is visual but, by representation, it becomes invisible as a visual fact becoming a system of transference towards concepts. 

		A drawing can be regarded as a language as any other visual fact. For instance, my desk will tell instantly to others that I'm a messy guy. My office partner's desk will tell instantly that he is a tidy guy. 

		In fact drawing as a language (as a communicational device) relies on its non-linguistic power to communicate. 

		 

		Best,

		 

		Eduardo

		 

		Eduardo Corte-Real

		Ass. Prof.

		IADE - Design School 

			----- Original Message ----- 
			From: Norman Trewhitt <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  
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			Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2005 11:38 PM
			Subject: Drawing as Language.

			Having just returned from a field trip in Northumberland I found a lot of e-mails referring to Picturing Problems, part of a PhD thesis and Jenny Soep's research into drawing as communication.
			 
			I started my working life as an engineering draughtsman way back in the 1950s where drawing in bits of scrap paper, or the back of the proverbial fag packet was used to exchange ideas. Or, on the shop floor, a chalked diagram on a piece of plate metal. These outline sketches were a useful vehicle in expounding ideas that went beyond the formal "instructions" of a prepared technical drawing. Many's the time an engineer has worked from these ideas on scrap paper and only used the official drawing for dimensional reference.
			Throughout life I have used this format to supplement, if not quite replace formal spoken/written language to get ideas across. And I still do. Even showing directions to get to a place we use symbols which have a common currency but may never appear on an officcial map. eg.three circles on a vertical plane to show traffic lights, a circle transecting a straight line to show a roundabout etc.
			 
			I think drawing is used as a universal, yet unofficial, language more than is generally realised.
			 
			This is just my observation on this which may be worth noting.
			 
			Norman Trewhitt


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