Dear Tim,
I have not noticed a "kind of vague everything is ok poetry ok stance
that appears here all to often. " On what posts are you basing this
claim?
Speaking for myself, any understanding I have of poetry has been very
hard-won. I believe you may be misrepresenting articulations which,
on my part and probably others too, were carefully written using time
which may have been more usefully applied elsewhere.
I think you are generalizing here and in the process trivializing
considered positions.
If these "vague everything is ok poetry ok stances [appear] here all
to often" and if large numbers of British poets are posting informed
by 1950s aesthetics, could you possible be precise and address your
remarks to those you consider to be offending in these respects?
I'd really appreciate clarification on your complaints.
Mairead
On 8/29/05, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Mairead. By referring to the 50's I was thinking of typical English poetry
> of the 50's, nothing strict, just using it as a pointer. When I mentioned
> the history of avant garde poetry I meant the history of British avant
> garde, experimental and alternative poetry from the late 60's to the present
> day, something closely related to past and European avant gardes, as well as
> the american of course, but still distinct and relatively neglected -
> especially neglected by its fellow countrymen.
>
> Are you not aware how much the British writers connected in any way with the
> various avant gardes and innovative circles - many of them inoffensive late
> modernists - are still despised and misrepresented by the mainstream and
> establishment? If their work is not ignored then it is usually insulted,
> either way they are written out of the picture. A few exceptions are always
> let through of course - recently it seems to be Tony Lopez and Denise Riley.
> Yet evidence of this situation is rarely evident on this list. It is not
> just a matter of people either, poetics are important, the ideas that form
> behind radical poetry do not exist in a vacuum and stand little chance of
> developing in the kind of vague everything is ok poetry ok stance that
> appears here all to often.
>
> Tim A.
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