>>but how many set up a movement?

As Mark has listed, I am thinking of these kind of movements - conscious of
themselves with a micro-politics - often aware that they're taking their own
name or manifestoes in vain. I suppose it is advertising but, afterwards,
some schools or clusters do still seem interesting and worth thinking about
/ with. I think that now, to do this, would strike a tone of promotion
(irretrievable by irony) all the more like the New Puritan anthology of
stories, or the new Narrative that appeared in the eighties, or the Dogme
manifesto.

>> >can't there be a constructive non-coinage? - which is not a loss of
>>nerve? -
>>
>>i think it would be the opposite of loss of nerve

I hope so. Just as the concept Identity has long been an unhelpful (and, I
think, disastrous) blur ,
perhaps a constructive non-coinage could be a way-out from troublesome
namings in poetry... And maybe for many it already is?

The trouble with pushing coins around is put into relief for me by reading
essays from the 19th century where such coins have lost currency and the
argument or attempted thought falls flat like a flat-packed table. Brilliant
writers avoid this because they resort less to such counter-pushing - A
robust sense of the scale which runs from detail to theory, a scale which
shouldn't have a cut-off point, is perhaps a requisite for critical debate.

>>ever since i realised how much labour lite and co are into innovation i
>>have
>>felt more confident in my doubt of it

Hah! Yes. 'The innovative approach' is an integral part of New Labour's
complicated flattening of political rhetoric. Enough said.

>>i like rivers

Actually I do like rivers in situ but not often as a figure for thought: the
appearance of a river (or a field) there must be aware of itself as metaphor
otherwise all sorts of unquestioned clouding and imprecision quickly shades
into disaster.

Edmund