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Subject:

Re: Lasers and fire extinguishers

From:

Harry Moseley <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

British Medical Laser Association <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 31 Oct 2005 09:22:03 +0000

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Dear Patricia,

The reason is that your company has joined the British Medical Laser
Association mailbase. To leave send an e-mail to [log in to unmask]
with the message "leave BMLA".

Regards
Harry Moseley

>>> [log in to unmask] 10/30/2005 1:33 PM >>>
My email is
[log in to unmask] 

I keep receiving numerous emails addressed to the BMLA  - why?
Regards
Patricia

-----Original Message-----
From:	British Medical Laser Association [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
On Behalf Of Simon Hall
Sent:	28 October 2005 10:43
To:	[log in to unmask] 
Subject:	Re: Lasers and fire extinguishers

On Drapes being a fire hazard:

Just for info there is a new ISO standard
 ISO 11810-1:2005 Ed. 1
 Lasers and laser-related equipment -- Test method and classification
for the laser resistance of surgical drapes and/or patient protective
covers -- Part 1: Primary ignition and penetration
 Available through ISO or BSI
http://www.iso.org 
http://www.bsi-global.com 
Also there is a committee draft for for part 2
 ISO/CD 11810-2 Ed. 1
 Lasers and laser-related equipment -- Test method and classification
for the laser-resistance of surgical drapes and/or patient-protective
covers -- Part 2: Secondary ignition  (contact me if you are
interested in commenting on part 2)
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Simon Hall
Bld 95
Photonics
Enabling Metrology Division
National Physical Laboratory
Teddington, Middlesex
TW11 OLW
UK
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Telephone +44 (0)20 8943 6758/6829/6800
Local fax  +44 (0)20 8943 6098
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webpage: http://www.npl.co.uk/electromagnetic/ufe-opto/lpe.html 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Taylor [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
> Sent: 27 October 2005 10:59
> To: [log in to unmask] 
> Subject: Re: Lasers and fire extinguishers
>
>
> The MDA Guidelines are clear enough, and I have always
> interpreted this is
> having means of fighting small fires within a reasonable
> distance, though
> I have never yet been pushed to define 'reasonable.'  Outside
> in the corridor
> is OK, down the corridor and round the corner is pushing it,
> I would have
> thought.
>
> Just to compound the issue, our local fire officer no longer
> recommends the
> use of any appiance by staff, to the extent of instructing us
> NOT to try
> to fight fires at his regular fire lectures.  For a serious
> outbreak, this
> is wise advice, and avoids the common problems of accidents
> arising directly
> from the use of very noisy and startling CO2 bottles, being
> frozen to the
> nozzle and dropping the thing on your foot, and so on.
> However, the likeliest
> fire event with a class 4 laser is, in my opinion, more
> probably drapes,
> paper, hair or plastic surgical bits, which, if left, could
> easily develop
> into something more serious, but could be extinguished
> quickly with the sterile
> syringe (half a litre is more than just a syringe, but that
> is a different
> issue) or wet cloths, or a small CO2 bottle.  Our fire
> officer doesn't seemt
> to have a problem with small extinguishers, just so long as
> we don't get
> to use them!
>
>
> >-- Original Message --
> >Date:         Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:57:08 +0100
> >Reply-To:     British Medical Laser Association
<[log in to unmask]>
> >From:         Al Crawford <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Lasers and fire extinguishers
> >To:           [log in to unmask] 
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >
> >We're having a bit of trouble with a new fire officer here,
> and could do
> >with some help!
> >
> >Basically I was wondering if there's any recommendation
> anywhere about the
> >need to have a fire extinguisher in a room or theatre when
> there's a Class
> >4
> >laser in use. The only bits of advice I can find in writing
> on this are
> from
> >a 2003 document by the National Care Standards Commission
> (as was) saying
> >that "there should be an appropriate fire extinguisher in
> the near vicinity
> >of a laser" plus of course the 1995 MDA Guidance document
> which says that
> >"there should be easy access to an appropriate fire extinguisher".
> >
> >For many years we've insisted that there be a CO2
> extinguisher mounted
> >inside a laser room or theatre, and in our rules we say that
> laser users
> >should know where the extinguisher is and how to use it in
> the event of
> any
> >incident.
> >
> >This new fire officer is saying that he doesn't see the need
> to have an
> >extinguisher in the room, since there is one nearby
> (actually down the
> >corridor and round the corner - I have visions of people
> rushing frantically
> >in all directions trying to find the wretched thing!). He
> would, however,
> >concede the use of a fire blanket within the room or theatre.
> >
> >Does anyone know of any concrete advice or recommendation
> that we could
> >throw at him on this one, or indeed any consensus view among
> LPAs (if such
> >a
> >thing is possible!) on this topic? Or should we just go
> along with what
> he's
> >saying?
> >
> >Thanks in advance for any help you can give!
> >
> >
> >Al.
> >
> >--
> >
> >Dr Al Crawford
> >Medical Physics Department
> >Queen's Medical Centre
> >Nottingham NG7 2UH
> >UK
> >
> >[log in to unmask] 
> >
> >
> >
> >This message has been checked for viruses but the contents
> of an attachment
> >may still contain software viruses, which could damage your
> computer system:
> >you are advised to perform your own checks. Email
> communications with the
> >University of Nottingham may be monitored as permitted by UK
> legislation.
>
> -----------------------------------------------------
> David Taylor, MA CPhys MInstP MIPEM CSci
> Clinical Scientist, Medical Physics Dept.,
> Gloucestershire Royal Hospital, Gt Western Rd
> GLOUCESTER, GL1 3NN, UK.
> Tel:  +44 (0)8454 225976 or 228201 (new)
> Fax: +44 (0)8454 226489 (new)
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>
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