Hi everyone,
Sorry about the last message sent. It should have gone to Dave's address.
Only excuse is that it was late at night!
I would appreciate it if you would not use any of the draft files I sent as
they are still in development and copyright.
However, if anyone else is working in this area, would be interested in any
other approaches.
Best wishes
Flick
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HI Dave
Sorry for the delay in replying but was a bit tied up last week.
Didn't log on to my computer for 3 days and found 2000 messages, 1500 of
them were spam!
Thanks for your comments.
I agree about the licensing act which is mentioned in the ODPM guidance but
nowhere else! Licensing authorities seem reluctant to use access as a criteria.
I have enclosed the Access Statement templates and checklist (rather large
at the moment) - hopefully rather late than never.
Also, noticed the discussion on symbols and would appreciate a copy too!
Not sure we would use them as they are not really recognised as national
symbols but will reserve judgement until I see yours! Maybe that's another
campaign? Certainly it is very difficult to know what is available and it
might prompt organisations to provide them as a matter of course.
How are your discussions with the Access groups going?
Best wishes
Flick
At 16:11 21/10/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi Flick
>your e-mail just arrived.
>I have included it in my response and the report I'm putting together. As
>I am also questioning the Licensing Act 2003 where organisations are
>getting through approval on grandfather clauses when the demographics have
>changed with more older and disabled people and even young children on
>licensed premises today.
>talking to fire and ambulance people they are both worried about the
>situation.
>Regards
>Dave
>
>Flick Harris wrote:
>
>>Hi Dave,
>>
>>Sounds like a great example to include in the consultation response!
>>
>>Re. how was it ever passed - sounds like the planning and building
>>control sections need urgent training and maybe the development of some
>>departmental policies with the local authority.
>>
>>We have just started some joint work with the Greater Manchester Police
>>to develop joint guidance on security and access issues and have found
>>that we share many of the same concerns. We hope that this can be
>>replicated with the Fire Services and that any guidance we produce can be
>>used, eventually, across Greater Manchester.
>>
>>We all agreed that the designers and others tend not to understand how
>>space will be used, they usually ignore the inevitable management issues
>>that result from their designs, and that usually developers go for the
>>cheap option!
>>
>>Best wishes
>>
>>Flick
>>
>>
>>At 09:34 18/10/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>>>Hi All
>>>to develop on John and Terry's comments re Ambulance & Part M
>>>
>>>Yesterday I attended the opening of a new 2 story museum.
>>>
>>>there were
>>>
>>> 22 wheelchair riders (assorted chair types)
>>> 7 scooters riders
>>> 5 pushchair passengers
>>> I'd guess another 10 to 20 people who could not walk down stairs unaided
>>> plus three people with low vision who needed help on stairs
>>>
>>>
>>>the museum has refuge space for about 6 wheelchairs at the top of
>>>outdoor, open plan, polished steel, stepped evacuation stairs which do
>>>not have nosing contrast, and have nice stainless steel handrails
>>>
>>>can anybody explain
>>>1. what would be the likely survival rate?
>>>2. how this building was ever passed through planning and building regs,
>>>licensing and fire inspection?
>>>
>>>the museum had organised plenty of staff and made plans for this
>>>occasion, but what if this number of people attended another function on
>>>a normal working day with standard staffing levels. ?
>>>
>>>The new guidance for Part B 2005 only allows for one refuge on a floor
>>>(all be it larger than the 900 x 1500 of the old ADB 2000/EuAm 01) and
>>>does not address the problem the above number of people needing
>>>assistance would generate for people with disabilities which make use of
>>>stairs difficult/impossible.
>>>I have tried writing to the ODPM's office about this problem but have
>>>received no answer.
>>>
>>> Anybody found similar problems? or
>>> have suggestions in how this type of problem can be addressed.?
>>>
>>>
>>>Regards
>>>Dave Croft
>>>PS any comments Cass
>>>
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