Hi Dave,
Sounds like a great example to include in the consultation response!
Re. how was it ever passed - sounds like the planning and building control
sections need urgent training and maybe the development of some
departmental policies with the local authority.
We have just started some joint work with the Greater Manchester Police to
develop joint guidance on security and access issues and have found that we
share many of the same concerns. We hope that this can be replicated with
the Fire Services and that any guidance we produce can be used, eventually,
across Greater Manchester.
We all agreed that the designers and others tend not to understand how
space will be used, they usually ignore the inevitable management issues
that result from their designs, and that usually developers go for the
cheap option!
Best wishes
Flick
At 09:34 18/10/2005 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi All
>to develop on John and Terry's comments re Ambulance & Part M
>
>Yesterday I attended the opening of a new 2 story museum.
>
>there were
>
> 22 wheelchair riders (assorted chair types)
> 7 scooters riders
> 5 pushchair passengers
> I'd guess another 10 to 20 people who could not walk down stairs unaided
> plus three people with low vision who needed help on stairs
>
>
>the museum has refuge space for about 6 wheelchairs at the top of outdoor,
>open plan, polished steel, stepped evacuation stairs which do not have
>nosing contrast, and have nice stainless steel handrails
>
>can anybody explain
>1. what would be the likely survival rate?
>2. how this building was ever passed through planning and building regs,
>licensing and fire inspection?
>
>the museum had organised plenty of staff and made plans for this occasion,
>but what if this number of people attended another function on a normal
>working day with standard staffing levels. ?
>
>The new guidance for Part B 2005 only allows for one refuge on a floor
>(all be it larger than the 900 x 1500 of the old ADB 2000/EuAm 01) and
>does not address the problem the above number of people needing assistance
>would generate for people with disabilities which make use of stairs
>difficult/impossible.
>I have tried writing to the ODPM's office about this problem but have
>received no answer.
>
> Anybody found similar problems? or
> have suggestions in how this type of problem can be addressed.?
>
>
>Regards
>Dave Croft
>PS any comments Cass
>
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