Hi Carol,
From discussions with our Highways Dept it appears that they consider
requests from residents, but only have a budget to install crossing points.
It would probably have to be a very persuasive arguement from the resident
to have one installed outside their home. With tegard to the resident
paying, our Area Engineer said that he would install such a provision in
this case.
For myself, I am not entirely convinced of the single flush dropped kerb
installation. As seen with this discussion, it can raise more problems than
it solves. I would much prefer to have the general provision installed.
Regards.
John.
John Gregory
Access Officer
Cherwell District Council
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From: Thomas, Carol [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 13 May 2005 11:35
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Dropped kerb provision
for disabled people
Hi John
thanks for your response.
The message given by the tactile warning to blind people in
this situation is just the warning that the kerb is missing - in most cases
would only use minimum amount to act as a warning - but I do agree if a
wheelchair user took the opportunity to cross here at a dropped kerb they
would expect a corresponding dropped kerb on the other side. The important
decision is where to locate a dropped kerb for wheelchair users, a minimum
amount of tactile paving is then needed in such situations to warn blind
people that the kerb is missing. (Different situation if a controlled
crossing).
I see your point that if a resident is paying for a dropped
kerb themselves then would not be happy with the extra cost but do residents
pay themselves much? Ultimately the highway authority responsible for
ensuring the street environment is safe including providing tactile paving
warning.
best wishes
Carol
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Dropped kerb provision for
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Hi Carol,
Yep, that is pretty much my interpretation of the situation.
The only
problem I have is that if a dropped kerb is provided outside
a residential
dwelling, and that kerb is flush, if tactile warning surface
is used and
there is no corresponding dropped kerb on the opposite side,
the tactile
warning would give the wrong information. Tactiles are
used, as you know,
on controlled and uncontrolled crossing points. By using
tactile on just
one side, the blind or partially sighted pedestrian would be
expecting one
on the other side. That was the reason for my query on the
tactile. I can
see that the tactile would be required being a flush kerb,
but I can foresee
problems if the resident is paying for the work and having
the tactile could
be uncomfortable for one, and they would not appreciate
having to pay for a
second dropped kerb on the opposite side.
Cheers.
John.
John Gregory
Access Officer
Cherwell District Council
Tel. 01295 221630
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From: Thomas, Carol
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Sent: 13 May 2005 09:00
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Dropped
kerb provision
for disabled people
Hi Sue and John
If the dropped kerb is flush there would
need to be tactile
paving to warn blind and partially sighted people that the
kerb had been
removed and therefore no distinction between the road and
pavement. Vehicle
crossovers to residential property should retain an upstand
of 25mm and not
have tactile paving. (section 1.5.4.3 of Tactile paving
guidance)
Some local authorities have provided a
dropped kerb for a
disabled person outside their dwelling but I believe this is
discretionary.
I agree with John that a dropped kerb within a reasonable
distance with a
corresponding dropped kerb on the other side best - but may
be issue of what
is a reasonable distance.
hope this helps,
Carol
Carol Thomas
JMU Access Partnership
RNIB
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Sent: Thu 12/05/2005 09:47
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Dropped kerb
provision for
disabled people
Hi sue,
Just thought i would add my penny's worth to
the debate.
My own view is that there are no legal
duties for highway
departments to
provide such a provision outside a private
dwelling. I
would be inclined
toward Alan's suggestion that a general
dropped crossing
point be installed
within a reasonable distance of the dwelling
which could be
utilised by many
more people. I assume that the request was
for just a
single dropped kerb
without a similar one being provided
opposite? The general
dropped kerb
would, of course, provide an entry point as
well as an exit
point.
I ran this query past our Area Engineer to
get his response.
He replied:
"I'm sorry but I'm not sure if we have a
'duty' to provide a
dropped kerb
outside a disabled person's residence but
will consult my
legal section and
let you know as soon as I can. What I can
tell you is we
have an allocation
for providing dropped kerbs for disabled
people, parents
pushing prams and
the elderly who find a full kerb face
difficult to
negotiate. We will
consider all applications we receive and
prioritise them
within the
available budget. Any I cannot fund all
the requests I
receive this
financial year (Apr 05 to Mar 06) they will
role over to
next financial
year."
If I receive any reply regarding the legal
situation I will
let you know.
Meanwhile, another factor to bear in mind
is, would any such
provision need
to be provided with a tactile warning
surface? Driveways
don't, but as you
say, this is not a driveway and presumably
the resident
wishes the kerb to
be flush rather than having the upstand
associated with the
driveway.
Hope this helps a little.
Regards.
John.
John Gregory
Access Officer
Cherwell District Council
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Subject:
[ACCESSIBUILT] Dropped kerb
provision for
disabled people
Your thoughts
please..........
Do Local Authorities have
any duty to
provide a dropped kerb
for disabled
people outside their
dwelling? The kerb
would be 900mm wide,
and not for
vehicles.
Is this a reasonable
adjustment under the
DDA?
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