Hi Carol,
Yep, that is pretty much my interpretation of the situation. The only
problem I have is that if a dropped kerb is provided outside a residential
dwelling, and that kerb is flush, if tactile warning surface is used and
there is no corresponding dropped kerb on the opposite side, the tactile
warning would give the wrong information. Tactiles are used, as you know,
on controlled and uncontrolled crossing points. By using tactile on just
one side, the blind or partially sighted pedestrian would be expecting one
on the other side. That was the reason for my query on the tactile. I can
see that the tactile would be required being a flush kerb, but I can foresee
problems if the resident is paying for the work and having the tactile could
be uncomfortable for one, and they would not appreciate having to pay for a
second dropped kerb on the opposite side.
Cheers.
John.
John Gregory
Access Officer
Cherwell District Council
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From: Thomas, Carol [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Dropped kerb provision
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Hi Sue and John
If the dropped kerb is flush there would need to be tactile
paving to warn blind and partially sighted people that the kerb had been
removed and therefore no distinction between the road and pavement. Vehicle
crossovers to residential property should retain an upstand of 25mm and not
have tactile paving. (section 1.5.4.3 of Tactile paving guidance)
Some local authorities have provided a dropped kerb for a
disabled person outside their dwelling but I believe this is discretionary.
I agree with John that a dropped kerb within a reasonable distance with a
corresponding dropped kerb on the other side best - but may be issue of what
is a reasonable distance.
hope this helps,
Carol
Carol Thomas
JMU Access Partnership
RNIB
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Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Dropped kerb provision for
disabled people
Hi sue,
Just thought i would add my penny's worth to the debate.
My own view is that there are no legal duties for highway
departments to
provide such a provision outside a private dwelling. I
would be inclined
toward Alan's suggestion that a general dropped crossing
point be installed
within a reasonable distance of the dwelling which could be
utilised by many
more people. I assume that the request was for just a
single dropped kerb
without a similar one being provided opposite? The general
dropped kerb
would, of course, provide an entry point as well as an exit
point.
I ran this query past our Area Engineer to get his response.
He replied:
"I'm sorry but I'm not sure if we have a 'duty' to provide a
dropped kerb
outside a disabled person's residence but will consult my
legal section and
let you know as soon as I can. What I can tell you is we
have an allocation
for providing dropped kerbs for disabled people, parents
pushing prams and
the elderly who find a full kerb face difficult to
negotiate. We will
consider all applications we receive and prioritise them
within the
available budget. Any I cannot fund all the requests I
receive this
financial year (Apr 05 to Mar 06) they will role over to
next financial
year."
If I receive any reply regarding the legal situation I will
let you know.
Meanwhile, another factor to bear in mind is, would any such
provision need
to be provided with a tactile warning surface? Driveways
don't, but as you
say, this is not a driveway and presumably the resident
wishes the kerb to
be flush rather than having the upstand associated with the
driveway.
Hope this helps a little.
Regards.
John.
John Gregory
Access Officer
Cherwell District Council
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From: Sue Fox [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 11 May 2005 16:08
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Subject: [ACCESSIBUILT] Dropped kerb
provision for
disabled people
Your thoughts please..........
Do Local Authorities have any duty to
provide a dropped kerb
for disabled
people outside their dwelling? The kerb
would be 900mm wide,
and not for
vehicles.
Is this a reasonable adjustment under the
DDA?
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