How many women do you have experience of, then?
joanna
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From: "Roger Collett" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Other French joke
In my experience, it is not possible to sensorily deprive women. They always
damned well hear
every little (even sotto voce) remark.
Roger
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From: "Judy Prince" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2005 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: Other French joke
ok, if you insist, mark: go ahead and provide yourself sensory deprivation
as well. we'll poke
you in the tummy every 3 days to be sure you've been fed enuff. any ideas?
getting older and sowier by the thread here,
your excellent ebullient, non-sensorily deprived friend
judy
> From: Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2005/11/25 Fri PM 10:48:03 EST
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Other French joke
>
> Just to be clear, I'm not trying to be prescriptive, just puzzling over
> this. There's an alternate tradition of solitary silence, practiced by
> religious hermits and various Indian subcontinent holy men. It's also
> recorded in the bible--Elijah's forty days in the wilderness. In Tibetan
> Buddhist practice adepts sometimes pass three days in silence in total
> darkness--sensory deprivation as well as silence. American Indian vision
> quests also were both solitary and silent. So the question is--in what
> way,
> and for what reason, the communal or the solitary methods?
>
> At 10:01 PM 11/25/2005, you wrote:
> >Mark Weiss wrote:
> >
> >>Here's an interesting question, interesting to me, at least. A lot of my
> >>friends go on retreats to Catholic or Buddhist venues, where they're
> >>silent among others being silent. I live and work by myself and in fact
> >>spend many days saying very little. My favorite travel is solitary
> >>walking and camping. Obviously a lot of people for a lot of millenia
> >>have
> >>referred being silent in a crowd. Any ideas?
> >>
> >>Mark
> >
> >There is probably some (or are at least ten) psychological explanations
> >for silence, where and how it is kept. One or ten, I don't know the
> >answer. Which of course will not stop me from speculating. First, if
> >someone is working alone or is walking quietly through a street or other
> >public space, they MAY not fully conscious of keeping silence. How many
> >of us would talk to ourselves in the street or in the subway? I know,
> >any
> >large city has enough of them. While working?--I usually don't notice
> >when I talk to myself or to the task.
> >
> >The idea of a silent retreat for me is that the silence is both imposed
> >and conscious. It's a rule: and if you don't follow it, you're wasting
> >your time and the retreatmaster's. I suppose that's because the silence
> >is intended as an integral spiritual discipline that be more painful than
> >the cliched collection of birch twigs or a cat 'o' nine tails because the
> >inner beating you can give yourself happens on the way to that conscious
> >contact with God or whomever. An hour of silence has taken me places I
> >had no wish to go; yet I often wished I had more time to find out what
> >was
> >on the other side of the All-Holy Me. I suspect silence is a powerful
> >tool to get there.
> >
> >I have known several Jesuits and they share something in common: each
> >during his formation has had to undergo three 30-day retreats built
> >around
> >Ignatius Loyola's "Spiritual Exercises." Actually it's four weeks. As I
> >understand it, for the whole period you may not speak except briefly to a
> >spiritual director about what to pray and meditate about and (end of the
> >day) how it came out. In a way, I believe you're going out into the
> >spiritual Desert of yourself to see who and what you meet there.
> >
> >ken
> >
> >---------------
> >Kenneth Wolman www.kenwolman.com kenwolman.blogspot.com
> >
> > "You have to be a speedy reader, cause there's
> > so, so much to read!" - Dr. Sousé
>
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