Hi David,
fair enough. I'm with you on the thought that excluding any group from one's
humour is hardly inclusive. And Martin's right, the thought of monitoring is
a bit disquieting. There was a warning shot across our bows a while ago and
it's left me a little jumpy. Sorry for the attack of nervous nelly.
best
Randolph
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, November 07, 2005 12:23 AM
Subject: Re: [POETRYETC] Thought for the day
> Hi Randolph
>
> I didn't realise that my off-hand casual remark was going to stir things
> so
> much. I live, I exist in, a truly multi-cultural society, to accomadate
> each
> we accept the piss-take, I rib Moslem friends of mine something rotten,
> and
> they go along with it, and get me back too. What we all agree on, whether
> Sikh, Hindu, Jain, Moslem, Christian or atheist or agnostic is what a load
> of crap Leicester City Football Club are at the moment, we can spend hours
> mulling over a pint about this serious subject - it's got that bad we even
> let the women talk (joke)
>
> I'm a Christian. The Bible is full of bollocks. C'est la vie.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "wild honey press" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Sunday, November 06, 2005 4:15 PM
> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>
>
>> Dear David,
>>
>> I'd prefer if you didn't call what some regard as sacred texts as a load
> of
>> bollocks.
>>
>> best
>>
>> Randolph
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "David Bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 11:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: [POETRYETC] Thought for the day
>>
>>
>> > Dear Granpa
>> >
>> > now i dont listen to that thing daily, i just catch it now and again,
> BUT
>> > you are wrong - they have had at least one atheist talking, i know
> because
>> > i
>> > heard that one, point two, the emphasis in recent times has not been
>> > churchy, the star turns are a Sikh and a Jew, it does matter, in our
>> > society, that bridges are offered, i'm thinking this time about the
>> > terrible
>> > inter-racial violence that has beset Brum, that between
> Anglo-Caribeaeans
>> > ( can't spell that right this time of night) and Asians.
>> >
>> > These matters are scary, I had to occasion the other day to actually
> read
>> > the Qu'ran - in translation - it reminded me nothing so much as the
>> > Book
>> > of
>> > Mormon - i.e. a load of bollocks - but unfortunately a load of b. that
>> > justifies, exhorts in fact, violence. I thought parts of the Bible were
>> > nuts
>> > but this is in a class by its own.
>> >
>> > Best
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
>> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 8:43 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>> >
>> >
>> >> Dave-Bertrand Russell as an atheist would not be invited -that is the
>> >> problem
>> >> For twenty tears or so other voices- than smoothy churchfolk (one
> always
>> > if
>> >> caught before turning it off wonders- how they will get god into it)
>> >> other
>> >> voices have been trying to get heard-but it has some how been sewn
>> >> up-shame(like bishops being allowed as of right in the House of Lords?
>> >> P atheist P
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and
>> >> poetics [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of David
>> >> Bircumshaw
>> >> Sent: 05 November 2005 19:56
>> >> To: [log in to unmask]
>> >> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>> >>
>> >> Roger, I doubt whether an advent of humanists or atheists would make
> any
>> >> difference to the platitude output of TFTD. As I see it, in its
>> >> half-baked
>> >> way, it is doing a service in admiting the voices of other traditions
>> > (Sikh,
>> >> Moslem, Jewish, Hindu, Buddhist) in an anodyne way to the actuality of
>> >> Britain. what is noticeably absent is the 'God-squad' - the right-wing
>> >> fundamentalist evangelical Christians - they don't get air-time.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, its a fuzz, so are the services on long wave too, but I would
> rather
>> >> that fuzz than other things. The way I read it is that it is a sprout
>> >> from
>> >> the liberal-humanist tradition (which is what is responsible, to an
>> > extent,
>> >> for what elements of being civilised this country has) - Bertrand
>> >> Russell,
>> >> if he were still alive, would not be out of place on it.
>> >>
>> >> All the Best
>> >>
>> >> Dave
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 10:27 AM
>> >> Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I think Patrick got it about right. The fact that the people on TFTD
>> >> sound so reasonable and cosy and warmsy marmite doesn't lessen their
>> >> status, or their fundamentalism. The fact that they're not (currently)
>> >> caling for anyone's head to be chopped doesn't essen their potential,
>> >> or the anomaly of this secular nation being treated to their
>> >> half-baked ideas and platitudes on a daily basis. A better leavening
>> >> of atheists and humanists wouldn't go amiss. Also, the anomaly of the
>> >> daily service on R4 long wave - that should have been dunked years
>> >> ago. The BBC sometimes feels as if the 1940s never ended. Orwell would
>> >> be quite at home, I think.
>> >>
>> >> The religious in the UK have their own radio and TV stations these
> days.
>> >>
>> >> Roger
>> >>
>> >> On 11/5/05, David Bircumshaw <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> > Well there was a certain irony in my choice of post title, Patrick.
>> >> > I
>> >> think
>> >> > you might give a rather wrong impression of the beeb thing to our US
>> >> > cousins - it's not, is it, by any means God-spouting fundamentalism,
>> > it's
>> >> > rather soft and soggy and very very multi-cultural : Sikhs, Muslims,
>> > Jews,
>> >> > Hindus as well as Christians do the speak. I think they had an
> atheist
>> >> once
>> >> > as well. It is, generally speaking, quite harmless, and forgetable,
>> > apart
>> >> > from some of Rabbi Lionel Blum's jokes (at times!)
>> >> >
>> >> > Poets get a look in on R4 early too - there was Mr Horowitz
> inimitably
>> >> > singing his ideas of how Blake should be a little while back. The
>> >> presenters
>> >> > have been known to quote Milton from memory (on Today I'm talking
> about
>> >> > now) - imagine that across the waters.
>> >> >
>> >> > Best
>> >> >
>> >> > Dave
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
>> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 9:37 AM
>> >> > Subject: Re: Thought for the day
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > > 'Thought for the day' on our radio is religious propaganda/
>> >> > > brainwashing-/toshing posing as serious ideas-the BBC is breaking
> its
>> >> > > charter on balance here -why not instead of religious pundits
>> >> > > have
>> > some
>> >> > > real thinkers (now not allowed)or god help us!!!bring on the lions
> or
>> >> even
>> >> > > some poets spouting off-protest now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> >> > > P atheist P
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> --
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>> >> http://www.cb1poetry.org.uk/
>> >
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