> Little lamb!
>
> Dost tha *know who made thee?
>
> joanna
Well I had an interesting conversation with a squirrel this morning on this
theological point, the squirrel, whom I have named Ernest, was half-way up a
tree in the churchyard of Holy Cross (that's the Dominican place on New
Walk - I go there every Wednesday to hear Lydia sing with the monks) anyhow,
back to the point, me ands this squirrel actually made eye-contact (the
squirrel is now in therapy) but I did ask him what he thinks about it all
and guess what he said:
"nuts'
(sorry)
World without end amen.
Best
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joanna Boulter" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 11:30 AM
Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
> > This is very discomfoting to me, as a member of the christian +left+,
yes,
> > it does exist, and for our sins we have to put up with the eternal
> > embarrassment of association with the God-squad, we'd like to hate them
> > but
> > we're not supposed to do that, I dunno, we just believe in something
like
> > a
> > notion of radical innocence, hopeless really, in this fallen world.
> >
> > Best
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
> Little lamb!
>
> Dost tha *know who made thee?
>
> joanna
>
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2005 9:53 AM
> > Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
> >
> >
> > And right on cue - I couldn't make this up - Blair introduces *his*
> > Education White Paper basically handing over the education system to
> > whoever wants it. That's not wuite right: he's *paying people to take
> > it off his hands. Step forward the christian right. They never had it
> > so good.
> >
> > Roger
> >
> > On 10/25/05, Joanna Boulter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Roger Day" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 4:19 PM
> >> Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
> >>
> >>
> >> Well, we've gotten back to Paley's arguments. I guess we're going to
> >> be treated to the spectacle of rewinding the whole debate. My
> >> grandparents believed wholeheartedly in the bible as literal fact.
> >> They would have been creationists if the phrase had been invented.
> >>
> >> The US christian right thing is particularly scary because blair seems
> >> intent on importing elements of it into this country. There are
> >> already creationists teaching in schools in the north using debating
> >> tactics similar to that of "intelligent" design.
> >>
> >> Roger
> >>
> >> Yeah, there are indeed. Those of us up here in the north who are in the
> >> habit of thinking a bit find it disturbing.
> >>
> >> joanna
> >>
> >> On 10/25/05, Douglas Clark <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> > I forgot to mention the keyword Intelligent Design which anyone with
an
> >> > elementary knowledge of biology knows is ridiculous.
> >> >
> >> > Douglas Clark, Bath, Somerset, England ....
> >> > http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "Douglas Clark" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 3:26 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > >I have a bad feeling about Warwick at the moment, although my niece
> >> > >graduated there, cos Steve Fuller, the Sociology prof is giving
> > evidence
> >> > >in
> >> > >support of Behe at the Kansas evolution trial. These people who
oppose
> >> > >the
> >> > >Enlightenment are very much concentrated in Sociology departments
> >> > >where
> >> > >they argue that Science is just another discourse.
> >> > >
> >> > > Douglas Clark, Bath, Somerset, England ....
> >> > > http://www.dgdclynx.plus.com
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Dominic Fox" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 2:05 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > I saw Hill at Warwick University, where lots of other academic
types
> >> > > had also come to see him (there was some conference on, which I
> >> > > wasn't
> >> > > part of). So I went and I stood on my own, and I left on my own,
and
> >> > > shortly after that I gave up my PhD on Hill altogether. I think the
> >> > > clincher was standing in line to have my copy of Speech! Speech!
> >> > > signed, and the chap in front of me saying to Hill that he was
> >> > > writing
> >> > > a thesis on him, and could he please inscribe the book with
something
> >> > > encouraging like "don't give up! love, G.H.". Poor fellow, I wish
him
> >> > > no ill will, but a sort of terrible self-disgust welled up in me at
> >> > > that moment. I did not confide my own aspirations to the great man:
I
> >> > > told him that I had liked the book very much, thanked him for
signing
> >> > > it, and left it at that.
> >> > >
> >> > > Hill himself was quite unlike the burly, black-cloaked figure
> >> > > declaiming through clenched teeth that one might have been
expecting
> >> > > (although he is quite big). There was a touch of the music hall
> >> > > performer about him, in fact; he made a great show of drinking a
> >> > > glass
> >> > > of water. Quite a musical voice - he was *performing* the work, and
> >> > > its voices - so by turns discursive, lecturing, declamatory,
> >> > > soliloquising and so on. He got quite a few laughs, especially out
of
> >> > > the material from Speech! Speech! People do rather miss the comedy
in
> >> > > Hill (I miss it myself, in much of The Orchards of Syon, although
it
> >> > > has its moments). There was also, this being a room full of
> >> > > academics,
> >> > > a fair amount of scribbling in notebooks as he brought the new
stuff
> >> > > out. Not my idea of how you listen to poetry, but then I was
cribbing
> >> > > from him on a deeper level. Or at least that was what I wanted to
> >> > > tell
> >> > > myself.
> >> > >
> >> > > Dominic
> >> > >
> >> > > On 10/25/05, Joanna Boulter <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >> > >> You've seen him read? Wow!
> >> > >>
> >> > >> What's he like as a reader? I mean, rhetorical, soliloquising, or
a
> >> > >> twist
> >> > >> between incantatory and vicious -- I could imagine any of those
> > styles
> >> > >> fitting with the work.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> joanna
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> > >> From: "Dominic Fox" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > >> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > >> Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2005 10:00 AM
> >> > >> Subject: Re: Geoffrey Hill: The Orchards of Syon
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I saw Hill read some of the Orchards of Syon poems before they
were
> >> > >> published. They came across well in that context. I must admit
> >> > >> though
> >> > >> that the sequence doesn't really grab me - all those flame-pelts
of
> >> > >> denuded hawthorn, self-perjuring / arbiters of contrition |
> >> > >> revamping
> >> > >> their perdurance...
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dominic
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > --
> >> > > Shall we be pure or impure? Today
> >> > > we shall be very pure. It must always
> >> > > be possible to contain
> >> > > impurities in a pure way.
> >> > > --Tarmo Uustalu and Varmo Vene
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