I am not sure I understand what you are asking.
There is no quotation beyond a reiteration of the dictionary. I checked in the dictionary to be sure there was no way in which a Jewish person could refer to the word _holocaust_ as _our language_. And that is how I have given the chain of derivation. I checked because otherwise I may have to judge the man quoted as an idiot or scoundrel
In what sense does he say - in report - _Go Find Your Own Language, Don't Grab Ours_? If the woman being shouted at spoke English, it was her language
If it were a hebrew word or a Yiddish word maybe there's a point - tho I thought Dominic's remark that no one owns a language is broadly correct
Why shouldnt a black speak of a Black Holocaust?
We all appropriate words for our own purposes, but most - having potentially extended a meaning - leave the original. What is reported here seems to be a word grab
All of this goes into things that were not on my mind when I started. I was stirred to write more by someone saying something I thought dangerous about the Japanese rather than that I had something I wanted to say originally
The discussion flipped to Europe, and that had its interest, but I was more concerned to stay with Japan - another one gets dropped tomorrow and I am sure those due to fry in the morning would have been glad that they died for the best - as some claim
The enclosure of the word _holocaust_ to mean only the Jewish experience of the word is wrong & then we are told someone called Charles Fishman went ballistic when someone non Jewish used _holocaust_ because it belongs to us not them is too much. What are we supposed to make of that? What are we supposed to learn?
It's a tale of special pleading. And the Jewish dead hardly need that
L
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From: Halvard Johnson <[log in to unmask]>
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Date: Monday, August 08, 2005 7:14 PM
Subject: Re: Not exactly Hiroshima but about unhealed wounds
Is there a comment on Ken W's remark or just a quotation here?
Hal
On Aug 8, 2005, at 1:56 PM, Lawrence Upton wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kenneth Wolman <[log in to unmask]>
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> Date: Monday, August 08, 2005 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: Not exactly Hiroshima but about unhealed wounds
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>> He said that for any ethnic group to use
> "Holocaust" was an attempt to appropriate the Jewish experience and
> simultaneously demean it. The message seemed to be Go Find Your Own
> Language, Don't Grab Ours.
>
> the word is Middle English from Old French from Latin from Greek and
> its use
> to indicate the experience of european jews and many others is only
> one of
> its meanings though by far the most important one now
>
> to limit it to the jewish experience would be an act of appropriation
>
>
Hal
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