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Re: any formalists in the crowd?

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Lawrence Upton <[log in to unmask]>

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Poetryetc provides a venue for a dialogue relating to poetry and poetics <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 1 Aug 2005 23:55:57 +0100

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Annie

are not real things, but merely human

is metrically sound

My advice to the poet is to leave her poem as it is

- the proposed changes not only add an unneeded syllable but change the meaning for the worse


>emphasis as long as you have made the line before it quite regular
(generally, two or more very
metrically erratic lines in a row will break the rhythmical pact you
have been establishing with the
reader)


is.... well i dont want to upset anyone here - i dont think it's necessarily true

& I dont think we should judge a poem by reference to the author not being dylan thomas

*trust your ear

when you trust your ear, having found it trustworthy (!) look at the mechanics

Line 9 is fine

it doesnt need fixing

& I am going to stop there because I am getting cross

lines 10 and 11 might stand a look in terms of unintentional double entendre

but that's all

I'm off to bed now, though I might split an infinitive on the way

L




  -----Original Message-----
  From: Alison Croggon <[log in to unmask]>
  To: [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]>
  Date: Monday, August 01, 2005 11:25 PM
  Subject: FW: any formalists in the crowd?


  are not real things, but merely human

  impositions on the sun, the moon,
  the stars, which all will follow their own paths
  whether we name them or not. These weeks past
  our blue earth's path is changed by its own

  deep spasm. We walk along its surface
  pretending not to notice it can toss
  us off at a whim. It reclaims us
  millimeter by millimeter, loose

  flesh and slow bones, smoky dusks and brilliant
  noons -- all sacrificial celebrants.
  --

  line 7 is metrically quite varied: trochee, iamb, anapest, iamb, and a
  final foot which consists of
  only one stress. These one-stress feet are risky--sometimes they can
  work, and some poets can
  get away with them (Dylan Thomas, for example) and keep the rhythm
  going, but you probably
  should wait until you are more experienced at meter. I would suggest
  adding one unstressed
  syllable before "past"--maybe "these weeks just past." Your other
  variations in this line (initial
  trochee, anapest) are a nice way to vary the rhythm without breaking
  it, and are not a problem
  metrically.

  line 8 is not iambic pentameter. It needs to be fixed. It goes iamb,
  spondee, iamb, anapest--only
  4 feet. It needs one more foot. The simplest way is to add a very
  light syllable between "changed"
  and "by," turning your anapest into an iamb--you could also add a
  2-syllable word earlier (such as
  "our blue earth's cyclic path") but that would make the line feel
  pretty weak at the end with that
  long slow anapest.

  line 9 also needs to be fixed. deep SPAS m WE walk a LONG its SUR
  face: you have iamb, iamb,
  anapest, iamb, extra-syllable ending--again, it's only a 4-foot line.
  One more stressed syllable at
  the end of the line would do it, turning your extra-syllable line into
  an iamb. Or, you could just
  add one syllable in the middle of the line, giving up your anapest and
  keeping the extra-syllable
  ending: deep SPAS m WE have WALKED aLONG its SUR (face).

  line 10 is a very nice iambic pentameter

  line 11 is another short line, only 4 feet. You can fix it by adding 3
  syllables at the end,
  unstressed-stressed-unstressed. Then you would have iamb, anapest,
  anapest, iamb, iamb: us
  OFF at a WHIM it reCLAIMS us DUM da DUM. (this is one simple way to fix
  all your meter, btw: just
  read the poem aloud, exaggerating the words to fit the iambic pattern
  and you may find that you
  easily hear what's missing. Reading aloud is key).

  line 12 is a very interesting nice, fluid iambic pentameter. I love how
  the comma breaks up the
  final foot, and how the "L's play with each other. It is headless, so
  you mark the missing syllable
  in parentheses:
  (da)MIL liME terbyMIL liME terLOOSE. You see it is one headless
  iamb, one regular iamb, anapest,
  two more regular iambs.

  line 13, another lovely line. This one starts with a trochee--again, a
  very common way to begin an
  iambic line, and then a very nice spondee:
  FLESHand SLOWBONES, SMOky DUSKSand BRILLIANT
    This line flirts with nonmetricality quite intensely because it ends
  in 3 trochees in a row. Some
  real purists would say this is too much--technically trochees only
  sound right when they are at the
  beginning of a line or after a caesura (such as SMOky, coming right
  after a comma). And you
  could make the line sound a lot more reassuringly iambic by changing it
  to "Flesh and slow bones,
  smoky as dusk and brilliant." I think maybe you could get away with 3
  trochees without losing
  your reader's rhythmic ear, if you made the rest of the poem quite
  regular, but it might be easier
  simply to add a light syllable before dusk, making the line a beautiful
  line with several interesting
  variations including an extra-syllable ending

  Your last line is a fine headless iambic pentameter (the initial
  missing unstressed syllable its only
  variation), quite Stevensesque in rhythm as well as every other way.

  I hope this has been understandable--I'm actually leaving for a month
  writing retreat tomorrow but will respond when I get back
  if you have questions. I'd recommend Paul Fussell's wonderful POETIC
  METER AND POETIC FORM if you want a good introduction to how this all
  works. And if you want to continue writing in meter, there are online
  metrical-writing forums you can join at www.ablemuse.com.

  all best,
  Annie
  Annie Finch
  http://www.anniefinch.com





  ___________________________________

  Annie Finch, Director
  Stonecoast Brief-Residency MFA in Creative Writing
  University of Southern Maine
  222 Deering St.
  Portland, Maine 04104

  Phone: 207-780-5973
  Email: [log in to unmask]
  Web: http://www.anniefinch.com
  http://www.usm.maine.edu/stonecoastmfa/

  ‹THE BODY OF POETRY: ESSAYS ON WOMEN, FORM, AND THE POETIC SELF ‹just
  out in the Poets on Poetry series from University of Michigan Press‹


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