The name of this list is "poetryetc" - I guess the etc can cover an
awful lot of territory. I, personally, don't find Joseph Campbell that
appealing but what's wrong with self-help? This is a query with
genuine interest. At the same, I'm trying to picture a self-help
-stick-.
Anyway, I'm applying to APU, Aberystwth, Holloway and UEA for my MA.
Does anyone have any solid background info/rumour/gossip/salaciousness
about these august institutions they are willing to impart to me
backchannel? Any titbit gratefully accepted, anonymity guaranteed.
For the interested, In my pocketses I have a ing, precciouss...
Roger
On 6/22/05, Mark Weiss <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Can we please drop the self-help stick? This is a poetry list, and besides
> it's offensive.
>
> And for god's sake, "petcies?"
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 12:18 AM 6/22/2005 -0400, you wrote:
> >To Glen Phillips
> > From Judy Prince
> >
> >Glen,
> >
> >You probably wrote the Hitler quote to warn us that following one's "feel
> >good" instinct may lead to a holocaust of unbelievable tragedy. You lead
> >us to a vital point about "doing one's thing" with little knowledge (esp
> >in the young who lack experience, lengthy friendships and many facts) that
> >can easily result in chaos and a truncated life. Any teacher or parent
> >can tell you that "feel good" behaviors build monsters in the young as
> >well as those grown old but not self-knowing.
> >
> >I'd love to know how you and other petcies reconcile the Hitler quote and
> >those I've posted with ones they might think of regarding how to make
> >important changes in our lives. I don't know anyone who hasn't
> >grappled---sometimes for years--with life-altering decisions. The more
> >input we get, the better able, I think, we'll be to step forward to help
> >ourselves. So, Glenn, what do YOU think?
> >
> >Judy
> >
> >----- Original Message ----- From: "Glen Phillips" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:24 PM
> >Subject: Re: TO MY DEAR PETCIES: an explanation
> >
> >
> >>On 22/6/05 9:15 AM, "judy prince" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>Wasn't it Hitler who said,'if it feels good do it'?
> >>Glen
> >>>To Roger Day from Judy Prince
> >>>
> >>>Roger,
> >>>
> >>>Following are some quotes you may find friendly:
> >>>
> >>>**************************************
> >>>"Follow your bliss" (Joseph Campbell, I think)
> >>>
> >>>"Go with your gut instinct; it will never steer you wrong" (a good friend)
> >>>
> >>>"Ever notice that 'What the hell!' is always the right decision?" (Marilyn
> >>>Monroe)
> >>>
> >>>*************************************
> >>>
> >>>Consider this, Roger: What do you feel that you might lose if you do the
> >>>MA? Are they things that are like cut toenails---happily and unconsciously
> >>>dropped in the wastebasket because still attached they'd cause you no end of
> >>>sharp pain and the eventual near-inability to move forward?
> >>>
> >>>Incidentally, I've an altogether revised life, having uprooted after 34
> >>>years in Chicago. I moved here to Norfolk where I had neither family nor
> >>>friends. No one, during my search for where to live, felt that I was making
> >>>the right choice---to leave Chicago, let alone to go to a place that I
> >>>barely knew! Because I had no way of knowing if they were right, and
> >>>because I knew their concerns for my well being, I suffered greatly in what
> >>>seemed endless tail-chasing to decide my own future.
> >>>
> >>>I've now been in Norfolk for nearly four years and think of it as my
> >>>paradise. Few folks "back home" and even here understand my joy at being
> >>>here. But, then, Roger, those folks must struggle and find their own paths
> >>>and places, mustn't they? The struggle provides a rare opening for
> >>>self-understanding. I don't see any loss in that whatsoever.
> >>>
> >>>Blessings on you as you move through your pathfinding, aided, always by the
> >>>peace of trust-filled prayers,
> >>>
> >>>Judy
> >>>from her paradise
> >>>
> >>>----- Original Message -----
> >>>From: "roger day" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>>Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:55 AM
> >>>Subject: Re: TO MY DEAR PETCIES: an explanation
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>I see now that *part* of my motivation in applying for an MA course is
> >>>in some part trying to get this magic. There are other reasons of
> >>>course, some of which are real-world. Another is the fact that I've
> >>>always wanted to take an English qualification ever since I was
> >>>knee-high to a grasshopper. It maybe that I want to be in academia
> >>>(I'll have to think on that).
> >>>
> >>>One course of action open to me is get out of my current job, sit
> >>>there and write.
> >>>
> >>>Any poetecteras views on this quandry? Whether or not is nobler in the
> >>>mind to take an MA or would rather fardles bear and stare at windows
> >>>all the day, keyboard before me?
> >>>
> >>>Roger
> >>>
> >>>On 6/21/05, Ken Wolman <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>>>roger day wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Your play was useful in that it allowed me to expose a little of my
> >>>>>history to the list, so I tips me hat to you, whoever you are!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Glad to be of service! I hope my bit-part fitted well in your theatre
> >>>>></bows to rapturous applause>.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I've thought of taking a Poetry for Dummies course because I've
> >>>>>sometime felt that I've been missing something, something that when I
> >>>>>write goes astray. Of course, books and courses are never the answer.
> >>>>>
> >>>>And now Dr. Ken's Konfession. For years I believed such a thing
> >>>>existed. Poetry for Dummies. If they can publish books like "Sex For
> >>>>Dummies" ("Oh, THAT's what that's for! Hot damn!") and "Monte Carlo
> >>>>Simulations for Dummies" (not, I assume, how to win at Vingt et Un), why
> >>>>not "Poesie for Dummies" as well?
> >>>>
> >>>>Years ago, feeling that I was cheated of feature by dissembling Nature,
> >>>>having no idea what a poem was, how to write one (even though I had), or
> >>>>how to judge one without some Professor saying it was good, I tried to
> >>>>find the magic book that had all the answers. The book I chose? <sit
> >>>>down> William Empson's _Seven Types of Ambiguity_. No joke. No help.
> >>>>
> >>>>Oh, another plagiarism tale. True story. 1973, I'm a teaching
> >>>>assistant. Three profs and me, the Shakespeare lecture course. I
> >>>>thought I'd died and gone to Heaven. Then some kid in my personal
> >>>>section hands me a paper, I forget on what, but as I'm reading it I'm
> >>>>thinking "This kid writes fantastically, he can think on paper. Oh
> >>>>God--wait a minute." I focus on the kid. The kid is nice, not a doofus
> >>>>but not THAT bright. All of a sudden the writing sounds familiar. I am
> >>>>the guy writing a dissertation on audience/reader response in
> >>>>Shakespeare, and before I dropped him on his Scottish crown, Macbeth was
> >>>>in there. So I knew the classic critical writings: A. C. Bradley, c.
> >>>>1904. I look at Bradley. I look back at the kid. It's the same
> >>>>words. Bradley didn't plagiarize the kid, I guess. I forget how, but I
> >>>>got a message to the kid to come to the office I was using. He did not
> >>>>seem like a jive-artist, just a jerk. He walks in totally unfraid and
> >>>>totally clueless. I confronted him with his unattributed quotes and
> >>>>Bradley's text. I thought the kid was going to cry, then faint. He had
> >>>>no idea that what he was doing was not kosher. NOBODY had ever taught
> >>>>this kid about plagiarism. He literally did not know he'd done it. It
> >>>>was easier for the teachers along the way to ignore the whole greasy
> >>>>issue until it got to the desk of a 31-year-old teaching assistant. I
> >>>>told him to get back to work, he had something like two days to correct
> >>>>the mess he'd made. The paper turned out to be not too hot but it was
> >>>>at least HIS not too hot.
> >>>>
> >>>>Ken
>
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