I whole heartedly agree with Charles (This is twice now Charles, in the
last year).
Also what any successful organisation needs to succeed, even if it is a
membership organisation, is strong and good leadership. Issues should
not have to go round and round annually to have a response, and the lack
of response on these issues have been lamentable.
The CE is , like it or not, in the driving seat and sets the tone of the
organisation., he/she is the one that has the most public exposure, and
for a membership organisation the life and future of the organisation
is the support, relationship with and, as Charles says, perception of
the members.
So perhaps NOT Who is Cilip, But Who is Bob, what is he?
I think some debate on the matters raised by Bob with ordinary members
may well be overdue?
f
-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of C.Oppenheim
Sent: 16 February 2005 09:55
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: who is CILIP?
I would hate for CILIP to go down the route of having a dominant CEO
who rides roughshod over his Council, but I do find it frustrating that
Bob does not tell us more often what his response to members' issues
are. The question of low pay rightly exercises a lot of CILIP members,
and Bob and CILIP staff do give the impression of being less than active
on the issue.
Members' perception is everrything.....
Charles
Professor Charles Oppenheim
Department of Information Science
Loughborough University
Loughborough
Leics LE11 3TU
Tel 01509-223065
Fax 01509-223053
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob McKee" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:43 AM
Subject: who is CILIP?
We have a plan of action for all job ads that don't meet our guidelines
and it's being put into effect - as the Advice team made clear in their
message to the list.
I don't want to distract the list's attention from the BM job or from
job/pay issues in general but I do have another issue to raise. It could
be termed - "who is CILIP?"
Is it me? Sometimes it feels that way when people ask me to pronounce on
every professional and managerial issue which we face - but it shouldn't
be like that. CILIP is not animated by the will or whim of its Chief
Executive. Seriously - it isn't.
Is it the staff? Sometimes it feels that way when staff ask for a
response and don't get one or when staff hear Members talking about
CILIP as if those Members were not part of CILIP - but it shouldn't be
like that. CILIP is not confined to the activities of its staff.
Is it the membership? Well: the membership governs CILIP; makes the
decisions that drive CILIP; engages in the processes of education and
advocacy and policy making and professional development and knowledge
sharing which are at the heart of CILIP; and forms the Branches and
Groups and Panels which make up the "communities of practice" across
CILIP. And it's the membership, in their capacity as individual
professional practitioners, who do most to shape the views of employers
about our profession and about CILIP...
To me, CILIP is all of us - our staff, our Members, our customers, our
stakeholders. This maximises CILIP's reach and capacity and expertise
and authority. Which means that all of us have the right to expect
support, through CILIP, from our colleagues; and all of us also have the
responsibility to give support, through CILIP, to our colleagues...
What do you think? I'm out of the office until Monday but that should
give you time to collect your thoughts - then I'll collect them when I
return to the lists next week.
Cheers,
Bob.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frances Hendrix
Sent: 15 February 2005 20:56
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
That's good to know Bob, but don't just listen please I think some
obvious signs of action would be good?
Best wishes
f
-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bob McKee
Sent: 15 February 2005 17:01
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
I'm always listening Frances.... But CILIP isn't just about me you know.
My colleagues from the Advice team have put the Ridgmount Street
position and a number of colleagues have made helpful comments about the
issue under discussion and also about the nature of this list....So,
I'll just keep listening...
Bob.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frances Hendrix
Sent: 15 February 2005 15:29
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
What about having talks with the unions and advising them about the
correct rate for the job etc. some advocacy and partnership working for
heavens sake.
Any one there listening BOB?
f
-----Original Message-----
From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kevin Symonds
Sent: 15 February 2005 15:01
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Gazette Feb 11th
Maybe CILIP could pass on their recommendations to the relevant unions
to get them to take it up with the companies advertising jobs with lower
wages?
If the unions don't know a professional role is underpaid then how can
they fight for fair wages, if not for their current members then the new
ones they might be gaining.
It's been said many times it's not CILIP's role to fight companies on
pay but what about passing information to those who can/might be able to
make a difference?
Kevin
Kevin Symonds
Librarian
MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit
15 Chaucer Road
Cambridge
CB2 2EF
Tel: 01223 355294 ext 110
Fax: 01223 359062
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