Sara,
I agree with your point. My concern is that people seem to want to remodel
learning difficulty, which is socially constructed, and then apply it to all
disabled people.
I find it difficult where I hear remarks like neurodiverse people are the
most oppressed group of disabled people and I do not understand the basis
for this. If oppression were to be measured and I hate comparing the
experiences between impairment, I would argue the most oppressed group were
people with severe or profound multiple impairments who were in residential
care without a voice or the luxury of moaning about their plight. They are
denied access to the basic rights we all wish to enjoy, including
masturbation....... something few people will openly accept.
Can the divide be resolved? Not just yet! I do not find the term impairment
offensive but if Larry does, that’s fine but do not devalue those who are
happy and proud to use the term.
Many thanks, Simon
--
Simon Stevens
Chief Executive, Enable Enterprises
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Sent: 01 September 2004 09:29
To: Simon Stevens (CEO, Enable)
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Subject: Re: New Book
Hi Larry/Simon,
I find both your views compelling and wonder if they can ever be
reconciled. If, Larry, you are suggested that to label your
neurodiversity an 'impairment' offensive, then I can understand your
point.
I'm feeling increasingly uncomfortable with my research in which I keep
describing the children's learning impairments when in reality they have
learning differences which aren't really about learning at all!
Would love to hear any other views on this....
Sara
> Larry,
>
> So having an impairment, in my case, cerebral palsy, is wrong and
> negative?
> Am I not allowed to be proud of who I am?
>
> Please explain this because I find your desire that only your way of
> thinking should be allowed concerning and somewhat arrogance.
>
> If you want to reinvent the wheel, presumably to ensure neurodiversity
> comes
> up on top, it may help to explain it to us lesser mortals! So we can
> understand the error of our ways and how unimportant our lives are now
> compared to yours and other people with neurodiversity :).
>
> Simon
>
> --
> Simon Stevens
> Chief Executive, Enable Enterprises
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Disability-Research Discussion List
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Larry Arnold
> Sent: 31 August 2004 23:04
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New Book
>
> Except of course that your version of the social model still discriminates
> because it contains the concept of impairment, which is a personal and as
> negative as any "word" and anglo centric linguistically.
>
> Oh well whats the point of trying to change and challenge peoples beliefs
> as
> they hang onto them anyway, Ossification would be a good word for it? if
> it
> weren't so latinate in construction.
>
> I leave you word people to it, you can't see beyond your personal
> constructs
> because you can't think beyond your language into anothers mind who thinks
> differently.
>
> Larry
>
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>> Sent: 31 August 2004 07:39
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>> Subject: New Book
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>>
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>> Sent: 31 August 2004 07:39
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>> Subject: New Book
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>>
>> Dear All
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>> I hope the following will be of nterest. It is the second in a
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>>
>> Colin Barnes
>>
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> -----------------------------
>>
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>>
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