Ben
That is very useful to know as I am off to a new job where I am going to
have these kinds of discussions.
Thanks
John
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Ryan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 20 July 2004 15:30
To: John Casey {DAICE}; CETIS-METADATA
Subject: RE: UK LOM Core: mandatory elements
John and All,
The remark made about the cost actually got us to think that it
was not as expensive as we first thought. We looked at the total cost,
even though we calculated the pre redord cost, what we didn't do was
compare the cost of the metadata to the cost of the object.
When you look at it in those terms the cost of the metadata,
even employing and paying an info. scientist to do it, comes out at
about 1% the cost of the object. Not bad really.
Regards,
Ben
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HLSI Software Development Manager
University of Huddersfield
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-----Original Message-----
From: John Casey {DAICE} [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 16 July 2004 19:10
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: UK LOM Core: mandatory elements
Hi Folks
Just to drop in on this thread late before I go and make my tea:
The discussion about LOM Core in a way shows what a success it has been
- no really :-). And what I am continually struck by is the diverse
types of 'user' that are represented (developers, discoverers, teachers,
librarian types, admin types etc) all having a different angle as Gerry
rightly remarks.
For a repository I think it makes sense to ask for the full monty in
metadata as the stuff is murder to put right afterwards (as the HLSI
folks
found) - assuming the metadata is 'right' in the first place. I remember
being at the EC SIG where the HLSI people (I hope I have got this right
by the way, and am not slandering you!) were recounting how they had to
redo the metadata all over because the first batch done by the subject
specialists was not accurate enough and how much that exercise had cost
them. At the same SIG a person from a commercial supplier said "Is that
all it cost?" I remember being very struck by this remark and the
cultural difference this revealed.
To put this crudely if we are producing learning objects of value (and
elearning content is dear to produce) then it is a bit daft to skimp on
the metadata to find and maintain the objects - a kind of penny wise
pound foolish mentality. But perhaps this is because of the current
'political economy' of learning technology - a bit odd and unbalanced?
I like making content but entering metadata is a real drag to be honest,
but it needs to be done - making it mandatory is one way of making sure
it is done. Making it easy (and yes I do want it easy!) would mean that
it is costed more realistically and that cataloguers (working to a
profile of the LOM or whatever) do the work with the specialists and
that it is not squeezed in on the side. For me this is one of the things
the debate shows up, and we need to remember this is all still pretty
new in our systems - I am still persuading people of the basic benefits
of sharing and reuse!
So I guess I come down on the side of some mandatory elements (and the
LOM will do for now)- filled in by someone else!
cheers
John
> John Casey
> Project Officer
> Learning to Learn - an X4L Project
> DAICE
> Airthrey Castle
> University of Stirling
> Stirling
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