The only other discussion list I'm aware of is <http://rehabedge.com>

Barrett L. Dorko, P.T.
<http://barrettdorko.com>



At 11:30 AM 6/28/04 +1000, you wrote:
>Hi Tony and list readers,
>
>Here's another lurker, though I've only joined this list a couple of
>weeks ago since my favourite web-based physio discussion was shut down
>(noigroup.com).  Anyone know other forums for this field? (not that this
>digest isn't useful, but responses and questions seem quite sporadic).
>
>Great to hear of people getting good results with acupuncture - I
>remember a few years ago studying acupuncture for this very condition,
>and the literature does support its use (ok, it may not be rigorous
>double-blind RCTs, but it is still evidence).  Haven't tried your
>technique, but I'll give it a go next time.
>
>Chris.
>
>
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>Topics of the day:
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>   1. ADHESIVE CAPSULITIS
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>Date:    Sun, 27 Jun 2004 17:13:54 EDT
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>Subject: Re: ADHESIVE CAPSULITIS
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>Hello the list.
>
>I am a bit hesitant to join the discussion about Adhesive Capuslitis for
>many
>reasons, not the least of which is that the regular contributors to this
>discussion group are so erudite that a journeyman Physio like myself,
>long in the
>tooth but a tad short in the academic department (is "adhesive
>capulitis'' the
>same condition that I call 'frozen shoulder' ?) but, for what it is
>worth, I
>would like to add my two pennyworth of practical experience.
>
>I very rarely see any mention of acupuncture when perusing these
>correspondence pages. I do not doubt that many of you out there are
>using the needles to
>access traditional acupuncture points, Ah Shi points and Trigger Points
>but
>few, if any of you  write about your results or share your experience
>with regard
>to these techniques. Anecdotal evidence is no evidence although being a
>practical man rather than a theoretician (heretic that I am)
>  I prefer to believe what my patients tell me rather than what I read in
>the
>technical journals.
>
>Acute and chronic shoulder problems may be treated using the following
>formula:
>
>Expose the affected shoulder;
>identify ST 36 (3 cun below ST 35, the lateral 'eye' of the knee, and 1
>cun
>from the medial border of the Tibia) on the OPPOSITE side to the
>affected
>shoulder;
>confirm De Qi;
>while manipulating the needle have your patient work the affected
>shoulder
>through the stiff and/or painful arc of movement for about one minute
>(sometimes
>less, sometimes more).
>
>That's it, although I do like to encourage some active stretching post
>Rx.
>Sometimes you may have to repeat the treatment a couple of times; I like
>to
>separate these episodes by two or three days
>You just might be as astonished as I was when I first experienced the
>almost
>dramatic results you might obtain.
>
>How and why such a technique should work is something I shall leave to
>you
>very clever folk out there to worry about. Someone might like to write a
>Paper
>about it: just remember where you heard it first!
>
>I rarely contribute to this list, being something of a lurker (have I
>spelt
>that correctly!) and await, as has happened in the past, to be shot down
>for
>failing to produce the necessary documentation/evidence or, worse still,
>totally
>ignored. Having just seen off a classic "Brown Brothers'' Bottle of
>Australian red ('Cheers, Anna") your reactions might take a day or so to
>be read.
>
>Regards, Tony Windsor
>
>PS Does anyone else out there miss and mourn the wonderful contributions
>that
>Mel Siff used to contribute to these pages? Of all the contributors to
>this
>List he was the one whom I always read with unfailing interest. I did
>not
>always agree with what he wrote (who did!?)he could be an argumentative
>sort of
>person, but his command of the English language and his views on such a
>wide
>variety of topics so relevant to our work is sorely missed; I hope not
>only by me.
>
>
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>Hello the list.
>
>I am a bit hesitant to join the discussion about Adhesive Capuslitis for
>man= y reasons, not the least of which is that the regular contributors to
>this d= iscussion group are so erudite that a journeyman Physio like
>myself, long in= the tooth but a tad short in the academic department (is
>"adhesive capuliti= s'' the same condition that I call 'frozen shoulder'
>?) but, for what it is=20= worth, I would like to add my two pennyworth of
>practical experience.
>
>I very rarely see any mention of acupuncture when perusing these
>corresponde= nce pages. I do not doubt that many of you out there are
>using the needles t= o access traditional acupuncture points, Ah Shi
>points and Trigger Points bu= t few, if any of you  write about your
>results or share your experience= with regard to these techniques.
>Anecdotal evidence is no evidence although= being a practical man rather
>than a theoretician (heretic that I am)
>I prefer to believe what my patients tell me rather than what I read in
>the= technical journals.
>
>Acute and chronic shoulder problems may be treated using the following
>formu= la:
>
>Expose the affected shoulder;
>identify ST 36 (3 cun below ST 35, the lateral 'eye' of the knee, and 1
>cun=20= from the medial border of the Tibia) on the OPPOSITE side to the
>affected sh= oulder;
>confirm De Qi;
>while manipulating the needle have your patient work the affected shoulder
>t= hrough the stiff and/or painful arc of movement for about one minute
>(someti= mes less, sometimes more).
>
>That's it, although I do like to encourage some active stretching post Rx.
>S= ometimes you may have to repeat the treatment a couple of times; I like
>to s= eparate these episodes by two or three days
>You just might be as astonished as I was when I first experienced the
>almost= dramatic results you might obtain.
>
>How and why such a technique should work is something I shall leave to you
>v= ery clever folk out there to worry about. Someone might like to write a
>Pape= r about it: just remember where you heard it first!
>
>I rarely contribute to this list, being something of a lurker (have I
>spelt=20= that correctly!) and await, as has happened in the past, to be
>shot down for= failing to produce the necessary documentation/evidence or,
>worse still, to= tally ignored. Having just seen off a classic "Brown
>Brothers'' Bottle of Au= stralian red ('Cheers, Anna") your reactions
>might take a day or so to be re= ad.
>
>Regards, Tony Windsor
>
>PS Does anyone else out there miss and mourn the wonderful contributions
>tha= t Mel Siff used to contribute to these pages? Of all the contributors
>to thi= s List he was the one whom I always read with unfailing interest.
>I d= id not always agree with what he wrote (who did!?)he could be an
>argumentati= ve sort of person, but his command of the English language
>and his views on=20= such a wide variety of topics so relevant to our work
>is sorely missed; I ho= pe not only by me.
>
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