Hi Sally J!
yes I have got well and truly muddled up over this!
I think its time I sent a different poem in...
bw
SallyE

on 17/6/04 8:56 pm, Sally James at [log in to unmask] wrote:

> Hi Sally E
> Oops It was me who was defending the style of my poem about Heptonstall
> church yard..Sally J
> 
> 
>> From: Sally Evans <[log in to unmask]>
>> Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: new sub Heptonstall church yard - James
>> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 14:29:16 +0100
>> 
>> Hi James, I wasnt necessarily defending the style, but it is something that
>> tends to go with hard rhythm and it is paerhaps because society became less
>> ahrd-and-fast in its pinions that we went away frm rhyme to the more
>> hesitant free verse styles. The most oobvious  place for rhyme tday is in
>> funny poems (heard John Hegley among others last night at Morden Tower's
>> fortieth birthday in Newcastle) but there are other uses too if we get it
>> right - not too heavily decamatory!
>> best
>> SallyE
>> 
>> on 17/6/04 1:00 pm, James Bell at [log in to unmask] wrote:
>> 
>>> Yes, I think you are right to defend your style, as we do need to go
>> with
>>> how things move us.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> bw
>>> James
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Sally James <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: new sub Heptonstall church yard
>>>> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:05:39 +0100
>>>> 
>>>> Sorry you found it a bit OTT. Maybe it is  but it was just my way of
>> seeing
>>>> things that day I suppose but will admit "woman's weeping" is a bit
>> much,
>>>> But women do weep over Sylvia Plath's grave She was a depressive and
>> went
>>>> though a lot of emotional suffeing in her short life and her suicide
>> was so
>>>> untimely and what other poems would we have seen if this hadn't
>> happened.
>>>> There is an inscription on her grave about a flower blooming in
>> fiercest
>>>> flames which I thought was a very apted description of her. I was
>> always
>>>> told I used too many poetry words in my MA too. But we are all
>> individuals
>>>> I suppose and as I always write from my heart and what I am feeling at
>> the
>>>> time guess this will always happen with me. Sally J
>>>> 
>>>>> From: James Bell <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>> Subject: Re: new sub Heptonstall church yard
>>>>> Date: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 10:01:40 +0000
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm assuming this is the grave of a well known literary figure. One of
>> the
>>>>> Bronte's, Emily or Charlotte. I thinkmit does a lot of unnecessary
>> scene
>>>>> setting and the tone ends up being mannered, is the word that comes to
>> me.
>>>>> I think with a little more work you could dispense with some lazy
>> stock
>>>>> phrases from the book of poet's bad phase day compendium. Sorry this
>>>>> sounds harsh. Phrases like "grave of woman's weeeping", "tipsy grave
>>>>> stones", "petals bloomed in fiercest flames" "and tears erupted".
>> These
>>>>> are all very so so. I think the overall idea is of interest but its
>>>>> execution needs a little refining. Hope this helps.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> bw
>>>>> James
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> From: Sally James <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> Reply-To: The Pennine Poetry Works <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>>>> Subject: new sub Heptonstall church yard
>>>>>> Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2004 18:30:47 +0100
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Heptonstall churchyard
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some bizarre twist of fate brought me here
>>>>>> to this place, this grave of woman’s weeping
>>>>>> The day was sunny, the blossom swayed
>>>>>> lent its perfume to the moor land wind
>>>>>> but by the church,
>>>>>> great gusts carried my breath away
>>>>>> tangled my hair, blew my skirt above my knees
>>>>>> I don’t know why I came at all
>>>>>> I was out for pleasure, to see the countryside
>>>>>> look for somewhere new to hang my hat
>>>>>> The church tower looked fierce
>>>>>> frowned, as I trod the cobbles
>>>>>> the narrow streets
>>>>>> searched the tipsy grave stones
>>>>>> that leaned port side in the
>>>>>> early summer’s howl
>>>>>> I had to ask of course
>>>>>> “Many visitors come,” he said
>>>>>> then pointed, told me
>>>>>> where the woman lay
>>>>>> But today, there was only me
>>>>>> pacing up and down the ranks
>>>>>> inspecting, looking for the poet
>>>>>> whose petals bloomed in fiercest flames
>>>>>> I found the plot at last
>>>>>> and tears erupted, spilled
>>>>>> upon her flowered bed
>>>>>> and as I cried, the church bell tolled
>>>>>> Three times.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> sally james
>>>>>> 
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