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-----Original Message-----
From: Kinselley, Gillian E [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 14 May 2004 15:58
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Specialist practitioner
When the issue of what letters or title you can give yourselves has been
resolved taking into account that the majority of companies do not
understand the difference between Occ Health Nurse or Advisor, it may be
more appropriate to discuss and focus on raising the business profile of Occ
Health. yes, companies want professionally qualified but more importantly
they need positive Occ Health Management as a component to the corporate
business objectives.
Interesting article ...Occupational Health Review March/April 2004
Gill
Occupational Health Consultant.
[Kinselley, Gillian E]
-----Original Message-----
From: Greta Thornbory [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 14 May 2004 15:28
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Specialist practitioner
Sorry Neil but I do not agree with you. The NMC state quite clearly that
anyone who has a Dip or Cert before the SP qualification came into being is
a SP - see page 9 of the new NMC News 2004 No.7 and I quote
'All practitioners who met the requirements to use the title specialist
practitioner in 1995 until 1998 will be viewed as holding equivalent
standing as those who were subsequently awarded the specialist practitioner
qualification'
This will mean that those of us who have OHNC or OHNdip from prior to 1995
will be entitled to enter the new third part of the register as 'specialist
practitioners'. The reason for this is probably to stop thousands of OH
nurses having to APEL for a specialist practitioer qualification which would
be a costly exercise for all involved. Beyond this I believe it is down to
semantics.
Greta
----- Original Message -----
From: "Neil and Paul" < <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]>
To: < <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 2:19 PM
Subject: Re: ENB N61
> Greta I am not disputing the fact that you can call yourself a SP but you
> cannot say you have qualification as a SP if you have the Dip or cert.
>
> Neil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Greta Thornbory" < <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> To: < <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: ENB N61
>
>
> > Just a thought then Neil - who teaches the 'Specialist Practitioner
> Degree
> > in OH' then if not another Specialist Practitioner in OH? As Anne
Harriss
> is
> > the Programme Director for the 'Specialist Practitioner Degree in OH
> Degree'
> > programme for the RCN course she should know. I am sure you wil find
that
> > many of us who have years of experience and are, according to Benners
> > description 'Expert' practitioners will be accepted by the NMC as
> Specialist
> > Practitioners as they do not appear to have anything other than the
> ablility
> > to record specialist practice, teaching and nurse prescribing.
> >
> > For those of you who remember - did we not go through all this once
> before
> > when those with the OHNC (when this was the only OH qualification) were
> told
> > similar things?
> >
> > Greta Thornbory
> > (and just for the record MSc OH. RGN. OHNC. DipN OH. PGCEA. MIOSH)
> (sorry
> > I never got time for the PhD)
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Neil and Paul" < <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> > To: < <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 5:43 PM
> > Subject: Re: ENB N61
> >
> >
> > > Anne,
> > >
> > > Just a point to clarify the position of the NMC. If you ahve
completed
> a
> > > Specialist Practitioner Degree in OH then you can say that you have
a
> > > recorded specialist qualification in the specialist practice of OH.
If
> > you
> > > have the the diploma or cert you can call yourself a specialist
> > prcatitioner
> > > but you cannot say you have a recorded specialist practice
> qualification
> > in
> > > OH. You can say you have a recordable qualification in OH.
> > >
> > > Be careful with the terminology and you will be fine. In order to
call
> > > yourself a specialist practitioner you should make sure that your
PREP
> > > folder reflects the necessary competencies and skills to justify
your
> > > statements.
> > >
> > > Neil Loach
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Anne Harriss" < <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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> > > To: < <mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2004 9:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: ENB N61
> > >
> > >
> > > > on 12/5/04 9:58 pm, Christine Hamlet at
<mailto:[log in to unmask]> [log in to unmask]
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Can anybody clarify what recognition this course gets on job
> > > applications
> > > > > as regards qualifications? When I completed the course in 2002
> the
> > ENB
> > > had
> > > > > ceased to exist and I was awarded a University Diploma (72
credits
> > at
> > > Level
> > > > > 2) in Occupational Health Nursing. I am confused when
completing
> > > > > application forms as to exactly what it stands for and how much
> does
> > the
> > > > > prospective employer know about the course content?
> > > > > Any views or advice would be most welcome.
> > > > >
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> > > > The ENB N61 course does not give specialist practitioner status as
> > only
> > > > degree programmes (taught at level 3) were validated by the
National
> > > Boards
> > > > to confer this recognition. People who studied the qualifications
> OHNC
> > and
> > > > DOHN qualifications, the precursors of the above degrees, are also
> > > > considered to be specialist practitioners - the the specialist
> > > practitioner
> > > > degrees were only validated by the ENB et al from the 1990's)
> > > >
> > > > The ENB N61 was intended to be an introduction to occupational
> health
> > > > nursing and in many institutions it gave level 2 access into these
> > level 3
> > > > specialist practitioner programmes eg BSc (Hons) Occupational
Health
> > > > Nursing.
> > > >
> > > > Readers may be aware that the NMC are currently reviewing the
> Nursing
> > and
> > > > Midwifery Register and there will be a third part of the register
> for
> > > public
> > > > health nurses. Direct entry to that part is not envisaged, ie
> > > practitioners
> > > > will already have to be registered as a nurse. the only
> practitioners
> > who
> > > > will have the automatic right to register on that part of the
> register
> > are
> > > > health visitors. However, it is possible that OHNs who hold a
> > specialist
> > > > qualification in occupational health nursing studied at degree
level
> > (or
> > > for
> > > > people like myself who studied the OHNC or DOHN) may in the future
> > have
> > > the
> > > > opportunity register on part 3 of the register. If this occurs
there
> > may
> > > be
> > > > long term implications for people who wish to work as OH nurses
who
> do
> > not
> > > > hold a specialist practitioner qualification in OH nursing
validated
> > by
> > > > either the NMC or one of the now "extinct" National Boards".
> > > >
> > > > I hope this assists.
> > > >
> > > > Anne Harriss
> > > >
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