Have to say that I contacted the RCN on a number of occasions while in the
private sector and always found them helpful.
Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tracie McKelvie" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2004 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: A4C
I agree with Greta, I am an OHNA in the private sector and have had great
support from the RCN. I have also set up a OH group sucessfully and it is
registered with the RCN.
Tracie Mckelvie
Occupational Health Nurse
Pembrokeshire College
Merlins Bridge
Haverfordwest
Pembs.
SA61 1SZ
TEL: 01437 765247 Ext 393
>>> [log in to unmask] 04/27/04 02:01pm >>>
I am really interested in this comment about the RCN - as I worked for them
for 12 years ( as if that has not been obvious from my earlier emails!) What
help and support is not forthcoming to OH nurses from the RCN? It will
depend on what you mean. The reason that the NHS staff get so much 'support'
is that the NHS as a whole 'recognises' the RCN as one of the Trade Unions
with which it has a 'recognition agreement' and therefore negotiates. If
your company does not have the same type of agreement then the RCN can only
advise you and give you external support for employment issues and matters.
However, it does offer a lot of support in other ways, free documents,
leaflets and publications. Free access to about 10 online journals and free
access to British Nursing Index (that only is worth about £180). If you are
a member of the OH forum (Society of OH Nursing) you get a newsletter 4
times a year and you can lobby your regional representative to raise issues.
You can also attend RCN Congress free and have access to nearly 300 CPD
events - many on health & safety, counselling, stress, lifting and
handling - and many more.
I recently tried to set up a local OH nurses group - which would have
received support from the RCN - but only about 8 OH nurses replied/turned up
despite my sending a personal postcard to all OH RCN members in the
Oxfordshire area paid for by the RCN. Is this perhaps not apathy from the OH
nurses rather than the RCN?
Mind you I agree with James - employers outside the NHS have hardly ever
used the NHS as a yardstick for paying OH nurses more money or better
conditions of employment. Rather they have used it to keep pay rates and
conditions down to that level!!!
Greta Thornbory
Consultant, Occupational Health & Education
www.gtenterprises-uk.com
Tel: 01235 770156
Mob: 07778 518 027
----- Original Message -----
From: Muir, Jackie
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Monday, April 26, 2004 4:16 PM
Subject: Re: A4C
I couldn't agree more with your thoughts James - We have tried to get
support and help through the RCN and in all cases this had met with a
stonewall!
Regards
Jackie
-----Original Message-----
From: James Beresford [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 26 April 2004 13:16
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: A4C
David,
Oh, it's all well & good the RCN saying A4C will apply to the private
sector, but they are hardly the best advocates for OH staff in industry at
the best of times. I'll be intrigued to know of employers in industry who
will happily adopt A4C for their OH staff.
With kind regards,
James Beresford
Occupational Health Advisor
"MASLEN-JONES David, Cinical Nurse Mgr"
<[log in to unmask]>
26/04/2004 09:09
Please respond to Occupational Health mailing list
To: [log in to unmask]
cc:
Subject: Re: A4C
A4C will affect nurses everywhere: The RCN have produced a booklet
"Agenda for change and nurses employed outside of the NHS"
publ code 002 246
Available from RCN Direct 0845 772 6100
-----Original Message-----
From: Greta Thornbory [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 24 April 2004 13:03
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: A4C
Is it relevant to anyone working outside the NHS?
Greta
----- Original Message -----
From: OHNet
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, April 24, 2004 11:57 AM
Subject: A4C
Hi Folks
Whats your take on this agenda for change thing. I believe that the way
things are going once (I say once as I don't believe it will not go ahead
considering there is no back up plan) it is introduced, it looks
increasingly likely that OH ans H&S job evaluations will be set at a local
level.
I'd be interested in hearing opinions, even if it is just a soap box
rant (if your not comfortable enough posting to the list I'd rather you
emailed me direct than said nothing. I can always summarise things in a
general post).
I would be very interested in hearing from anyone in one of the early
implementer sites about their experiences.
Regards
Craig
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