I understand that people like myself may jump to conclusions that are not
necessarily the correct ones. But the reason for this is due to believing
that this is an arena for professional discussion and not an internet chat
room. I think that if a person expresses a professional opinion that a
person disagrees with, they should be challenged with constructive criticism
and not with personal quips concerning its contents.
I know from past entries that some other people find "put downs" quite
disconcerting and also intimidating. I am not one of those people but do
find it tiresome.
Humor is fine but can be taken as the person making light or fun of a
persons opinion.
I realise that this is getting out of hand so I will not comment further on
this matter so that hopefully the system can resume its discussion on
professional issues in Occupational Health.
Best wishes.
Saghir.
P.S. Can anyone help me to unsubscibe, I am sure their is a specific person
I need to write to but I do not have their e-mail address.
Thanks
> -----Original Message-----
> From: diane romano woodward [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 13 February 2004 13:31
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: please don't take offence
>
> Dear All
>
> I am slightly worried about the tendency to jump to the conclusion that
> someone must be insulting them or taking the piss when they are not sure
> of
> what has been written . One disadvantage of the JISC mail is that we
> cannot
> pick up on non verbal cues, body language, facial expressions.
>
> As we are all intelligent highly motivated people(otherwise why would be
> tuning in) can I put forward the proposal that we give people the benefit
> of
> the doubt, see the glass half full rather than half empty etc. If you are
> unsure of the implications of a response, a private email to the
> individual
> for clarification, and /or to continue the row in private might be
> appropriate.
>
> Saghir, I do hope this perceived slight isn't why you are unsubscribing. I
> think the expression involving knitting more of whatever there is
> currently
> a shortage of originates from WWII and is perhaps better known among the
> more mature subscribers (in this sense I mean older , not necessarily
> better
> behaved!). The follow up email about someone's mother probably having the
> pattern made me howl with laughter.
>
> Best wishes to all and Happy Valentines Day in advance..
> Diane
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Saghir Siraj" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 8:48 AM
> Subject: Re: HIV testing
>
>
> > Dear Glenn,
> >
> > What a strange answer you have given. "if we could Knit nurses we
> would",
> I
> > think this may have been an attempt to be rude which is quite amusing.
> >
> > The point I was making is that many Trusts use agencies to recruit from
> > overseas, the agencies in general will recruit from specific countries.
> > Using agencies that recruit from countries with lower levels of HIV is
> one
> > way forward. I realize that this may not be ethical and that I
> personally
> > would not implement this but I would be surprised if this approach has
> never
> > been taken.
> >
> > I do not want to get into one of these long slaging matches that seem so
> > popular on this site, so could you please keep any insults to yourself.
> > Mature debate only please
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Saghir.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Glenn Raybone [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: 12 February 2004 17:12
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: HIV testing
> > >
> > > In a message dated 12/02/2004 09:04:24 GMT Standard Time,
> > > [log in to unmask] writes:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Just to throw a bit of controversy into the discussion, wouldn't
> a
> > > solution
> > > be to not actively recruit staff from countries with high levels
> of
> > > HIV.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > yes this would 'ease' the issue slightly, but in today's NHS a nurse
> is
> a
> > > nurse, and current vacancy levels are such that if we could knit
> nurses
> > > I'm sure we would.
> > >
> > > regards,
> > >
> > > Glenn
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