As I pointed out in my original response , this group may be "biased" and I
use that in a scientific way. This is an email group originally started by a
university lecturer and those who participate are interested in lively
debate. These may not be the same nurses that want these practical skills,
and we may get out Professional development in more theoretical approaches.
That sounds a bit elitist, it is not meant to be. I am an active first aider
with the Red Cross and do a lot of practical OH e.g health surveillance (in
spite of my degree!!!)
Mike, had you thought of approaching the suppliers of first aid and surgery
equipment such as Kays, Safety First Aid(if that is the other name for OH
Recruitment ), and SAFA. SAFA I know sponsors OH study days for its
customers around the country, and they might be interested in using you as
the provider. or you might pay them to circulate your course details as an
insert in their catalogues.
When you think back to the A&E days instead of envisaging the OH people as
those of your patients, try and remember what the hospital's (i.e. your) OH
department was about. It is likely to have been concerned with, manual
handling issues, violence to staff, Hepatitis B vaccinations, health
surveillance under COSHH- spirometry, audiometry, vision screening for DSE
users, latex glove allergy prevention, hand dermatitis ,exposures to waste
anaesthetic gases. This is what is likely to be needed by this group..We
don't all works for the NHS but these are fairly common issues. Just
substitute one hazardous chemical for another...
Best wishes,
Diane
----- Original Message -----
From: "MASLEN-JONES David, Cinical Nurse Mgr"
<[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Clinical Training (CPD)
Dear All,
Mikes taken a lot of flack over his original E-mail however, when I started
in OH I did the 3 day understanding ECG course with M & K also the
venepuncture and cannulation course both of which have been immense value to
my progression in OH.
I strongly recommend his company for training and they are good value for
money, the courses being run by nurses themselves, I you get a copy of the
M&K training catalogue you will see what I mean.
Not all OH Nurse sit in offices acting as advisors without practicing
nursing skills and treatment just look at any of our major dockyards or car
manufacturing sites
regards
David
David R Maslen-Jones RGN BA Spohn MIOSH
Clinical Nurse Manager, Occupational Health
Plymouth Hospitals NHS Trust
Derriford
Plymouth
PL6 8DH
Tel: 01752 517592 int:57592
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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Roberts [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 11 February 2004 15:38
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Clinical Training (CPD)
Cheers for that Craig.
We do indeed offer Emergency Aid courses, along with BLS, ILS and AED
training. Our portfolio is is very wide - critical, acute care through to
primary care - first contact is featuring heavily as times change rapidly.
Over 8,000 nurses attended one of our courses in 2003. Recently we have had
nurses from occupational health teams booking on minor injuries and minor
illness courses, and recently interest in our Clinical History Taking and
Physical Assessment Skills course. I hear what you are saying, I guess if we
do develop an additional course it will appeal to nurses from a variety of
settings. My background was as an RGN in A&E - so my contact with OHNs is
admittedly from this point, also worked briefly as an Infection Control
Nurse and for a while as Senior Nurse on nights at a community hospital. We
set up our company 12 years ago whilst working as a Nurse. Prior to this I
served as a Combat Medical Technician in the RAMC.
Thanks again Craig
Mike
On 11/2/04 3:16 pm, "[log in to unmask]" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Hi Mike
>
> I'm one of those industrial sector Occupational Health Nurses. We make
life
> size Tonka toys
> In the past there have been nurses who have removed foreign bodies from
the
> eye etc but here that is very much ancient history. We have a treatment
side
> to our service and it is very much based round basic first aid.
>
> If your company is looking to develop courses you should be looking at
what
> occupational health is rather than using the stereotype "plant nurse" that
> gives out plasters etc. I do get the impression that you only have a vague
> idea about what OH and OH practitioners do in reality. OH is very much
about
> maintaining health of the workforce, preventing ill health, very much in
> keeping with the governments drive for improved public health.
>
> The areas that Sally touched upon are valuable to OH and I'm sure all OH
> professionals would find something in her list appropriate to heir work. I
> marketing this gives you a much bigger potential client base. If your
> companies portfolio is going to be very much concentrated on emergency/
> injury treatment then you should consider first aid at work with
specialist
> roles like O2 therapy, poisons and for those who are very lucky,
> defibrillator training. That the areas you
>
> As health care professionals we do know the importance of keeping
knowledge
> up to date, hence the reason we are on this list, and many OHN's are
trained
> first aiders. I for one would have no intention of taking on a role that
can
> be accessed via an A&E department where the person carrying out the role
is
> better suited, better qualified and has better back up.
>
> Regards
>
> Craig Graham RGN, B.Sc., SpOHN
> Occupational Health Advisor
>
> Tel: 01698 503111
> Mob: 07734 604596
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mike Roberts [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 10, 2004 8:46 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Clinical Training (CPD)
>
> Our company is developing courses to complement our existing portfolio of
> training aimed at A&E, Occ Health and MIU nurses. Currently we offer Minor
> Illness and Minor Injuries courses and plan to develop a short course on
> 'Treatment Room' skills such as wound closure; ophthalmic emergencies
(incl.
> removal of FB, red eye); Ear Irrigation etc.
>
> I am keen to hear from Occupational Health professionals regarding this.
>
> Regards
>
>
> Mike Roberts
> Director
> M&K Update Ltd
> The Old Bakery
> St. John's Street
> Keswick
> Cumbria, CA12 5AS
>
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