Thanks for the clarification!  I thought I had hit a really raw note!  (Am
more a TOG than TYG by the way!!!)
Lynda

-----Original Message-----
From: Amanda Dowson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 10:17 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Occupational Health structure


OOOOpppss sorry Linda, this wasnt at you - I am merely a Terry Wogan
listener and as I read through what I had written again I thought I sounded
like I was moaning - I was just ranting and laughing at myself - I thought I
was sharing the joke!

It was intended to be me me me me ....... not you you you! Sorry for upset

PS I know that all safety personnel arent awful to work for .... I'm one of
them and my staff love me - especially when I get the bacon butties in !!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Hawkes, Lynda [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 04 February 2004 10:09
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Occupational Health structure


Goodness me, you are touchy!  I merely wanted to demonstrate that not all
safety personnel are unpleasant to work for and that some do appreciate and
value OH - it had nothing whatever to do with me me me.......
Lynda

-----Original Message-----
From: Amanda Dowson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 9:17 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Occupational Health structure


just read this again - and for all other TOGS or TYGS out there me me me me
me me .........

-----Original Message-----
From: Hawkes, Lynda [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 04 February 2004 09:02
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Occupational Health structure


Golly - sounds as though you have had a bad time!  In my career I have
reported to 4 Safety Managers (one of whom was an ex OH Nurse who had gone
into safety) and I certainly was never made to feel inferior to any of them.
I have an excellent working relationship with my current Manager (there is
no chance she will read this by the way!)
Lynda

-----Original Message-----
From: Amanda Dowson [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:41 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Occupational Health structure


We report to HR. This was due to the organisation priorities at the time of
setting up the department being sickness absence related.

I confess to having a bee in my bonnet as well about reporting to a Safety
Officer. To me this suggests that OH is secondary to Safety where I feel
that it is on par.

I have been line managed by Safety Officers in 3 jobs and thrice bitten -
now extremely shy!!

I do feel however that it is down to personalities, and what is called
'mutuality' - mutual goals, mutual respect, mutual responsibilities, and
mutual rewards (Beardwell and Holden ? year parrotted this for HR exam 5
years ago and now can't remember!!)

I do feel that we need someone with responsibilities for Occupational Health
issues on the Board of Governors, SMT etc. I also believe in providing these
people with quick synopsis of problem, solution options, costings and a
choice. Know your customer (the organisation as well as the employees) and

It is important to celebrate successes so that OH achieves as high a profile
as Safety. Demonstrate your cost-benefits and how you contribute to the
organisation's key objectives otherwise you end up like the cartoon with
Snoopy dressed in a suit with the caption

"doing a good job round here is like peeing yourself in a dark suit - you
get a warm feeling all over but nobody notices!".


Amanda Dowson


-----Original Message-----
From: Butler-Trump, Patricia [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 04 February 2004 08:11
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Occupational Health structure


Margaret,

OH here sits in HR, this is purely historical and is currently being looked
at with a view to us reporting into SHE.

Regards,

Tricia Butler-Trump
Occupational Health Adviser


?       Phone:          01983 294141
?       Direct Line:    01983 202211
?       Fax:            01983 202230
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 -----Original Message-----
From:   Reddoch, Margaret [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent:   03 February 2004 17:34
To:     [log in to unmask]
Subject:        Occupational Health structure

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Dear all

I would be very grateful if anyone is willing to give information on where
Occupational Health ' sits' within their organisation eg within HR, Safety
or stand alone, and the rationale for this (if there is any!). Also,
information on the reporting structure, and where organisations are
widespread, on UK and global reporting structure.

Many thanks
Regards
Margaret

Margaret Reddoch
Occupational Health Manager
Amersham PLC
The Grove Centre
Amersham
Bucks. HP7 9LL
Tel. 01494 543440




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