Hi ana,

ana: That a mailing list includes a literal transcription of what is 
posted in a
forum (in this case, net art review), I guess it is ok.

I happen to believe that it is ok. I see that Josephine's decision to 
copy/redistribute and place your text into this forum as a generous 
action - I percieve her manouver as a social, lateral act. And your name 
was mentioned as the person who had brought about its context orginally 
via Net Art Review, reflecting your own ideas around the subject.

So, the function of her posting has served to open up the debate, 
widened the seemingly ever cloudy idea(s) of what a curator/exhibition 
organizer actually is, and your writing has contributed to this, which I 
believe is a good thing, for all concerned.

I found your text to be informative - and I thank you for writing it, 
and I also thank J.Bosma in being generous to post it here...because 
before now, I was not aware of it.

In regard to Harald Szeemann, he can call himself what he wants, like 
you say. People can (and do) reinteprete as they wish, but people should 
be able to define and redefine their own creative activity on their own 
terms first of all - then others can do what they wish in a cultural 
sense afterwards.

And yes - Johannes posted a post that did not actually deal with the 
context of what your writing was trying to get across successfully, but 
I believe him when he says that he did not wish to offend - I did not 
see him as deliberately wishing to hurt you, unless there are agendas at 
work between the both of you which I might not be aware of, which is 
always a possibility.

This is one the things that happens on lists - yet many would of read 
your text at the same time and thought mmm - there are some good points 
there...

I would love other people to be posting my own writings/thoughts on my 
behalf (whatever reason) on a forum such as this, in a place where 
changes are instigated culturally - it happens more on other, less 
self-conscious lists. On here - people are perhaps more (self censoring) 
and aware of their careers, whcih of course can make things a little dry 
and less fluid. I prefer a bit more battling going on around ideas in 
respect of exploring concepts/creativity/politics - it can get a bit 
tense but the energy itself can help produce some very progressive 
discoveries for all concerend - which is great...

much respect

marc






 >Hello,
 >
 >That a mailing list includes a literal transcription of what is posted 
in a
 >forum (in this case, net art review), I guess it is ok. But then... when
 >those literal transcriptions are ridicularized like here with some 
abridged
 >online dictionary definitions, with the purpose of serving some 
undefinable
 >agendas... then this incestuous relationship across forums/mailing 
lists on
 >the same topic of interest is jeopardized.
 >
 >So I'll reserve my comments on a personal email to Johannes. Bottom line
 >being - i'm afraid Harald Szeemann calls himself whatever he wants
 >regardless of what Johannes thinks (or should i say - the Merriam
 >Webster)...
 >
 >Ana Boa-Ventura
 > ----- Original Message -----
 >From: "Goebel, Johannes" <[log in to unmask]>
 >To: <[log in to unmask]>
 >Sent: Saturday, July 03, 2004 12:03 AM
 >Subject: Re: [NEW-MEDIA-CURATING] exhibition producer
 >
 >
 >"Exhibition producer" - - - "Curator"
 >
 >Merriam-Webster online:
 >
 >Producer:
 >1: one that produces; especially: one that grows agricultural products or
 >manufactures crude materials into articles of use
 >...
 >3: a person who supervises or finances the production of a stage or screen
 >production or radio or television program
 >4: any of various organisms (as a green plant) which produce their own
 >organic compounds from simple precursors ... and many of which are food
 >sources for other organisms -- compare CONSUMER
 >
 >Curator:
 >Etymology: Latin, from curatus, past participle of curare to care, 
from cura
 >care
 >: one that has the care and superintendence of something;
 >
 >
 >
 >                Johannes Goebel
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >
 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: Josephine Bosma [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
 >Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 7:24 AM
 >To: [log in to unmask]
 >Subject: exhibition producer
 >
 >>From netartreview.net
 >
 >
 >Now... that is a designation I like: Harald Szeemann, art
 >critic and historian, and curator for the exhibitions of
 >the Forum Barcelona 2004 calls himself an "exhibition
 >producer". With a curricuum that includes the direction of
 >Documenta 5 in Kassel, and of the 48th and 49th editions
 >of the Venice Biennale, Szeemann became known in the art
 >world as a symbol of the independent exhibition curator.
 >
 >There are four thematic exhibitions that present narratives
 >of cultural diversity, sustainable development and the
 >conditions for peace. The four themese/spaces are "Voices"
 >and "Cities - Corners" both at the Barcelona International
 >Convention Center, "Inhabiting the World" at the Viewpoint
 >Port and "Warriors of Xi'an" at the Sant Adrià (Moll del Parc).
 >
 >(...)
 >
 >by Ana Boa-Ventura
 >
 >