marc, etc, i am interested in comment re:  can we envision
> the design for a system that can not, or will not be recuperated (by
> large companies and goverments), 'cause, for example, it's just too
> hard to control?

i hope this is the case, i am not optimistic in u.s where. clear channel
corporation currently owns well over half the nation's radio content.
creepy shit. how did that happen?! the same way we found ourselves at war
with an enemy we didn't know existed, maybe. . .

perhaps some optimistic examples would be: streaming radio (which has been
nailed here on royalties infractions) and 802.11, which completely
surprised the telecoms.  so many new possibilities for invisible networks
utilizing various wireless transmission. if the intent of the u.s.
military in developing internet was to provide a decentralized
commmunication network for their operations, now it is a step further in
decentralized, adhoc, wireless and combined networks. let chaos reign!

apropos chaos, marc, hakim bey promotes exactly this type of people-run
communication network which thwarts governmental control.  relative
morality is practised by all not in control and fighting for a voice and
for self-determination, including "terrorists".  but i guess morality
shifts to suit the purpose, often unknowingly.

i can see this list is addictive. i have to stop for now, in the midst of
chaos here...looking forward to meeting people in manc.

naomi


> Hi Naomi,
>
>> I am leading a seminar class on mobile wireless media, and yesterday we
>> read interview with Hakim Bey on the liberating/repressive aspects of
>> successive mass medias.
>
> Cool, can you send the link... dealing with Hakim Bey's always a bit
> sketchy 'cause of some of the "extreme relativity of his morality" lets
> say, but I still really like his poetics.
>
>> Mobile platform seems to embody these two poles in
>> a significant way. Inexpensive, pervasive, undetectable. It has been
>> interesting to compare development of mobile in asian countries and its
>> development in the west, or to compare between any locations where
>> this is
>> going on. Technical, political, social, cultural issues all differ, and
>> great inventiveness in providing the infrastructure as well as in its
>> application.
>
> Right, I suppose there's probably quite a but written on this by now,
> from a cultural perspective?
> There are loads of conference on it like the Wireless Wolds one, I
> think ti was called, down Surrey (which when I went to it 3 years ago
> was like 50% Scandinavians presenting!?)
> But I remember back then, there was only really the Sadie Plant thing
> for Nokia that i was aware of that really did a rigorous cross cultural
> ethnographic study of use patterns --I guess there was also that cool
> little Mobile Cultures booklet edited by Geert Lovink too.
>
>> It seem that many of the ideas that were being used on limited scale
>> very
>> recently– for example experiments in location sensing and proximity,
>> social networks by artists or research groups – are being built and
>> promoted on a larger scale as commercial applications.
>
> Ah yes, the good old "capitalist axiomatic" as Deleuze liked to call
> it...
>
>> In asia with
>> governmental/corp support on a mass level, versus experimental often
>> limited scale in the west.
>
> But my question for you, & for the list, would be... can we envision
> the design for a system that can not, or will not be recuperated (by
> large companies and goverments), 'cause, for example, it's just too
> hard to control?
>
>> Many of my students come from asian countries,
>> and I hope to gain some insight into development in asian countries
>> from
>> their news sources.
>
> Well, it sounds like they're getting equipped with valuable critical,
> conceptual skills.
>
>
> M.
>


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