from Frank Daniels <[log in to unmask]>
So, 5,022 people actually voted (from a membership of approx. 23,000!!). Of
those 5,022 votes 77% voted for option 1. That's democracy for you. Cilip
should now be asking itself why so many did not bother to vote. Could it
perhps have something to do with a loss of faith in the "profession"?
Frank Daniels
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>There are 25 messages totalling 3595 lines in this issue.
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>Topics of the day:
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> 1. CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription system
>(23)
> 2. Freedom of Information event, January, London
> 3. Postal Ballot - Scrutineer's Report
>
>----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:06:24 -0000
>From: Tim Buckley Owen <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals
>7 Ridgmount St, London WC1E 7AE.
>
>Tel: 020 7255 0500 Textphone: 020 7255 0505 Fax: 020 7255 0501 =
>E-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
>News from CILIP
>Thursday 18 November 2004
>For immediate release (Please copy to online discussion lists)
>
>CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription system
>
>Ballot represents "clear vote of confidence in direction Institute is =
>heading"=20
>
>By a margin of more than three to one, members of CILIP: the Chartered =
>Institute of Library and Information Professionals have voted in favour =
>of comprehensive reform of CILIP's subscription system, which should see =
>the majority of personal members paying the same subscription rate by =
>2008.
>
>The results of the ballot were as follows:
>
>Total number of votes cast: 5022
>Votes in favour of option 1 (flat rate with concessions by 2008): 3880
>Votes in favour of option 2 (income-related system with inflation =
>increase): 1124
>Spoiled papers: 18
>Percentage voting in favour of subscription reforms: 77%
>
>"This is excellent news for CILIP, and a real vote of confidence in the =
>direction the Institute is heading," said CILIP's Chief Executive Bob =
>McKee when the result was announced. "It means that we can really start =
>to go for membership growth."
>
>The postal ballot was called for by members attending CILIP's Annual =
>General Meeting last month. At the meeting, CILIP's Honorary Treasurer =
>Andrew Wale presented details of the proposed subscription reforms and =
>explained why they were necessary to enable CILIP to expand its =
>membership. "This decisive vote now means that we should be able to =
>renew more and more memberships automatically in future years, and =
>devote ever greater efforts to recruiting new members, instead of having =
>to divert staff activity into retaining existing members," Mr Wale said.
>
>Over the next three years, most CILIP personal members will see their =
>subscriptions move progressively towards a flat rate. However, lower =
>paid members' costs will also be safeguarded, because they will be able =
>to continue to pay at lower rates reflecting their incomes, as now. In =
>addition, the Prompt Payment discount will be extended immediately to =
>members who opt to pay in instalments by Direct Debit. Up to now, this =
>discount has only been available to members who are able to pay in full =
>within the first two months.
>
>Contact: Tim Buckley Owen, Head of Membership, Marketing & Media.
> Tel: 020 7255 0652. Email:
>[log in to unmask] =
><Mailto:[log in to unmask]>=20
>
>Notes to Editors
>
>CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals =
>is the leading professional body for librarians, information specialists =
>and knowledge managers, with around 23,000 members working in all =
>sectors, including business and industry, science and technology, =
>further and higher education, schools, local and central government, the =
>health service, the voluntary sector, national and public libraries. =
>For more information about CILIP, please go to www.cilip.org.uk or visit =
>us on stand 168 at Online Information 2004, Olympia, from Tuesday 30 =
>November to Thursday 2 December.
>
>- Ends -
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 10:32:07 +0000
>From: UKeIG <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Freedom of Information event, January, London
>
>UKeIG - UK eInformation Group have released full details of their January,
>Freedom on Information Meeting, Two Pillars of Wisdom: Freedom of
>Information and Copyright =96 What Information Professionals Need to Know.
>This will be held at CILIP Headquarters on Wednesday, 12th January 2005.
>Costs (including lunch and refreshments): UKeIG members =A3130 + VAT
>(=A3152.75); others =A3160 + VAT (=A3188.00)
>
>This event is aimed at information professionals, for whom both freedom of
>information and copyright are fundamental areas and it deals with access
>to and use of information with Freedom of information. Pertinent to all
>as the legislation expected to be fully in force in the UK for 1st January
>2005. Half of this one day meeting will provide a thorough overview of
>the FOI framework (including the right of access to information,
>exemptions, publications schemes etc.). It will also consider its
>application in a number of specific areas such as unpublished materials and
>archives, FOI and contracts/procurement issues, third party intellectual
>property rights, managing FOI requirements in the organisation and more.
>The second main area to be covered by the meeting is copyright. Major
>changes have occurred in UK copyright law in the last 18 months and taking
>stock of these changes and providing a detailed overview of the current
>copyright framework in the UK will be an important part of this event.
>
>This course will be presented by Laurence Bebbington, Law Librarian and
>Information Services Copyright Officer at the University of Nottingham and
>Tim Padfield, Copyright Officer, Curator of Photographs and Secretary of
>the Lord Chancellor's Advisory Council on National Records and Archives at
>the National Archives, Kew.
>
>Interest can be registered in this meeting, or a place reserved by emailing
>[log in to unmask] Further details are also available via the UKeIG
>website at
>
>http://www.ukolug.org.uk/content/public/activities/meetings/12jan05foi.html
>
>Notes :
>
>UKeIG the UK eInformation Group: For further details about the Group and
>membership contact: Christine Baker, The Old Chapel, Walden, West Burton,
>Leyburn, North Yorkshire DL8 4LE
>Tel & Fax: 01969 663749
>Email: [log in to unmask]
>
>Press Contact: Rob Hughes, UKeIG Committee, PR and Marketing
> Email: [log in to unmask]
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:14:39 -0000
>From: Bert Washington <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>With the result now announced on the subscription issue I guess voting has
>now ended. It's a shame that I did not get the opportunity to vote, having
>as yet still not received my postal ballot (I wonder how many others this
>has happened to)?
>
>Bert Washington.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Tim Buckley Owen
>Sent: 18 November 2004 10:06
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>- Ends -
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:27:28 -0000
>From: "Dobson, Malcolm" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>What percentage of members actually voted? If I remember correctly (& I'm
>sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) the number of members voting in
>the balloton the amalgamation & name change was fairly small.
>
>Malcolm Dobson
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Tim Buckley Owen [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 18 November 2004 10:06
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription
> > system
> >
> > CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals
> > 7 Ridgmount St, London WC1E 7AE.
> >
> > Tel: 020 7255 0500 Textphone: 020 7255 0505 Fax: 020 7255 0501
> > E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >
> > News from CILIP
> > Thursday 18 November 2004
> > For immediate release (Please copy to online discussion lists)
> >
> > CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription system
> >
> > Ballot represents "clear vote of confidence in direction Institute is
> > heading"
> >
> > By a margin of more than three to one, members of CILIP: the Chartered
> > Institute of Library and Information Professionals have voted in favour
>of
> > comprehensive reform of CILIP's subscription system, which should see
>the
> > majority of personal members paying the same subscription rate by 2008.
> >
> > The results of the ballot were as follows:
> >
> > Total number of votes cast: 5022
> > Votes in favour of option 1 (flat rate with concessions by 2008): 3880
> > Votes in favour of option 2 (income-related system with inflation
> > increase): 1124
> > Spoiled papers: 18
> > Percentage voting in favour of subscription reforms: 77%
> >
> > "This is excellent news for CILIP, and a real vote of confidence in the
> > direction the Institute is heading," said CILIP's Chief Executive Bob
> > McKee when the result was announced. "It means that we can really start
> > to go for membership growth."
> >
> > The postal ballot was called for by members attending CILIP's Annual
> > General Meeting last month. At the meeting, CILIP's Honorary Treasurer
> > Andrew Wale presented details of the proposed subscription reforms and
> > explained why they were necessary to enable CILIP to expand its
> > membership. "This decisive vote now means that we should be able to
>renew
> > more and more memberships automatically in future years, and devote ever
> > greater efforts to recruiting new members, instead of having to divert
> > staff activity into retaining existing members," Mr Wale said.
> >
> > Over the next three years, most CILIP personal members will see their
> > subscriptions move progressively towards a flat rate. However, lower
>paid
> > members' costs will also be safeguarded, because they will be able to
> > continue to pay at lower rates reflecting their incomes, as now. In
> > addition, the Prompt Payment discount will be extended immediately to
> > members who opt to pay in instalments by Direct Debit. Up to now, this
> > discount has only been available to members who are able to pay in full
> > within the first two months.
> >
> > Contact: Tim Buckley Owen, Head of Membership, Marketing & Media.
> > Tel: 020 7255 0652. Email:
> > [log in to unmask] <Mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >
> > Notes to Editors
> >
> > CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professionals
>is
> > the leading professional body for librarians, information specialists
>and
> > knowledge managers, with around 23,000 members working in all sectors,
> > including business and industry, science and technology, further and
> > higher education, schools, local and central government, the health
> > service, the voluntary sector, national and public libraries. For more
> > information about CILIP, please go to www.cilip.org.uk or visit us on
> > stand 168 at Online Information 2004, Olympia, from Tuesday 30 November
>to
> > Thursday 2 December.
> >
> > - Ends -
>
>
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:30:44 -0000
>From: "Bell, Pat {LBG BST KCentre}" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Frustrating for you and others in the same position I know, but even though
>I personally voted against the flat rate, I don't think we can argue with a
>3-1 ratio.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Bert Washington
>Sent: 18 November 2004 11:15
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>
>With the result now announced on the subscription issue I guess voting has
>now ended. It's a shame that I did not get the opportunity to vote, having
>as yet still not received my postal ballot (I wonder how many others this
>has happened to)?
>
>Bert Washington.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Tim Buckley Owen
>Sent: 18 November 2004 10:06
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:38:17 +0100
>From: Carsten Mandt <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Well, if CILIP has around 20,000 members and 5,000 have voted that means =
>we
>had roughly a 25% turnout.=20
>
>Regards,
>Carsten Mandt
>
>
> > What percentage of members actually voted? If I remember correctly (& I=
>'m
> > sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong) the number of members voting=
> in
> > the balloton the amalgamation & name change was fairly small.
> >=20
> > Malcolm Dobson
> >=20
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Tim Buckley Owen [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > > Sent: 18 November 2004 10:06
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
> > subscription
> > > system
> > >
> > > CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professiona=
>ls
> > > 7 Ridgmount St, London WC1E 7AE.
> > >
> > > Tel: 020 7255 0500 Textphone: 020 7255 0505 Fax: 020 7255 0501
> > > E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > > News from CILIP
> > > Thursday 18 November 2004
> > > For immediate release (Please copy to online discussion lists)
> > >
> > > CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription system
> > >
> > > Ballot represents "clear vote of confidence in direction Institute is
> > > heading"
> > >
> > > By a margin of more than three to one, members of CILIP: the Chartere=
>d
> > > Institute of Library and Information Professionals have voted in favo=
>ur
> > of
> > > comprehensive reform of CILIP's subscription system, which should see
> > the
> > > majority of personal members paying the same subscription rate by 200=
>8.
> > >
> > > The results of the ballot were as follows:
> > >
> > > Total number of votes cast: 5022
> > > Votes in favour of option 1 (flat rate with concessions by 2008): 388=
>0
> > > Votes in favour of option 2 (income-related system with inflation
> > > increase): 1124
> > > Spoiled papers: 18
> > > Percentage voting in favour of subscription reforms: 77%
> > >
> > > "This is excellent news for CILIP, and a real vote of confidence in t=
>he
> > > direction the Institute is heading," said CILIP's Chief Executive Bob
> > > McKee when the result was announced. "It means that we can really st=
>art
> > > to go for membership growth."
> > >
> > > The postal ballot was called for by members attending CILIP's Annual
> > > General Meeting last month. At the meeting, CILIP's Honorary Treasur=
>er
> > > Andrew Wale presented details of the proposed subscription reforms an=
>d
> > > explained why they were necessary to enable CILIP to expand its
> > > membership. "This decisive vote now means that we should be able to
> > renew
> > > more and more memberships automatically in future years, and devote e=
>ver
> > > greater efforts to recruiting new members, instead of having to diver=
>t
> > > staff activity into retaining existing members," Mr Wale said.
> > >
> > > Over the next three years, most CILIP personal members will see their
> > > subscriptions move progressively towards a flat rate. However, lower
> > paid
> > > members' costs will also be safeguarded, because they will be able to
> > > continue to pay at lower rates reflecting their incomes, as now. In
> > > addition, the Prompt Payment discount will be extended immediately to
> > > members who opt to pay in instalments by Direct Debit. Up to now, th=
>is
> > > discount has only been available to members who are able to pay in fu=
>ll
> > > within the first two months.
> > >
> > > Contact: Tim Buckley Owen, Head of Membership, Marketing & Med=
>ia.
> > > Tel: 020 7255 0652. Email:
> > > [log in to unmask] <Mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> > >
> > > Notes to Editors
> > >
> > > CILIP: the Chartered Institute of Library and Information Professiona=
>ls
> > is
> > > the leading professional body for librarians, information specialists
> > and
> > > knowledge managers, with around 23,000 members working in all sectors=
>,
> > > including business and industry, science and technology, further and
> > > higher education, schools, local and central government, the health
> > > service, the voluntary sector, national and public libraries. For mo=
>re
> > > information about CILIP, please go to www.cilip.org.uk or visit us on
> > > stand 168 at Online Information 2004, Olympia, from Tuesday 30 Novemb=
>er
> > to
> > > Thursday 2 December.
> > >
> > > - Ends -
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 11:56:20 -0000
>From: Frances Hendrix <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Yes now that the voting is out of the way, I hope Cilip can begin to
>address in a transparent way, many of the issues raised during the run
>up to the vote. Also I am sure the membership will be waiting to see the
>improvements, which over time will accrue for the saving of time.
>f=20
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bert Washington
>Sent: 18 November 2004 11:15
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>With the result now announced on the subscription issue I guess voting
>has now ended. It's a shame that I did not get the opportunity to vote,
>having as yet still not received my postal ballot (I wonder how many
>others this has happened to)?
>
>Bert Washington.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Tim Buckley Owen
>Sent: 18 November 2004 10:06
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>- Ends -
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 12:12:38 +0000
>From: Heather Stewart <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:13:25 -0000
>From: "Mcsean, Tony (ELS)" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
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>I assume that you meant this light-heartedly and weren't seriously
>questioning the integrity of the staff and members concerned, or indeed
>seriously over-estimating the ability of anyone to put together a =
>conspiracy
>on that scale within Cilip. More likely that the tyres of Diana =
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>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Heather Stewart
>Sent: 18 November 2004 12:13
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate =
>subscription
>system
>
>=20
>
>I don't think I know anyone that got the ballot...
>
>=20
>
>...was it fixed?
>
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>Heather Stewart: Librarian
>Culture and Community Services
>Nottinghamshire County Council
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>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b><span =
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>Front Street<br>
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:37:46 +0000
>From: Christine Reid <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>I got mine.
>
>I doubt it was fixed - I thought it was only NHS workers who got that
>cynical!
>
>Christine
>
>Christine Reid
>NHS Staff Library, Education Centre
>Seacroft Hospital
>York Road, Leeds LS14 6UH
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>Fax (0113) 2063325
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> >>> [log in to unmask] 18 November 2004 12:12:38 >>>
>I don't think I know anyone that got the ballot...
>
>...was it fixed?
>
>Heather Stewart: Librarian
>Culture and Community Services
>Nottinghamshire County Council
>
>Tuesday, Wednesday & Friday:
>Mansfield Library
>Four Seasons Centre
>Westgate
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>NG18 1NH
>Tel. 01623 627591
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 13:49:18 -0000
>From: Mike Morris <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
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>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mcsean, Tony (ELS)
>Sent: 18 November 2004 13:13
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>I assume that you meant this light-heartedly and weren=92t seriously
>questioning the integrity of the staff and members concerned, or indeed
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><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: CILIP =
>members vote
>overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription =
>system</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
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>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>lang=3DEN-GB
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
>EN-GB'>I
>assume that you meant this light-heartedly and weren’t seriously
>questioning the integrity of the staff and members concerned, or indeed
>seriously over-estimating the ability of anyone to put together a =
>conspiracy on
>that scale within Cilip. More likely that the tyres of Diana
>Spencer’s Merc were shot out by JFK and Elvis because she had =
>found out
>the secret of the Rothwell alien and was about to tell the Dalai =
>Lama.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>lang=3DEN-GB
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
>EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>lang=3DEN-GB
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
>EN-GB'>Tony<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>lang=3DEN-GB
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
>EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><div>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>lang=3DEN-GB
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
>EN-GB'>Tony
><span class=3DSpellE>McSe=E1n</span><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>lang=3DEN-GB
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
>EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>lang=3DEN-GB
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
>EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>lang=3DEN-GB
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
>EN-GB'>Damn.
>He’s on to us.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>lang=3DEN-GB
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy;mso-ansi-language:=
>EN-GB'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
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>Roman"><span
>style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Mike Morris, =
>Librarian,
>ISCA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:address w:st=3D"on"><st1:Street =
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> style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>, <st1:City =
>w:st=3D"on">Oxford</st1:City> <st1:PostalCode
> w:st=3D"on">OX2 6PE</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:address><font
>color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'> 01865 =
>274671<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:13:31 +0000
>From: Kevin Symonds <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Would be interesting to see it listed in terms of the numbers who voted for
>which choice in terms of the overall membership though.
>
>If 20,000 members is right then you could also say:
>
>74.89% of members don't care enough to vote
>19.4% want the flat rate
>5.62% want the existing system
>and 0.09% spoiled their paper.
>
>In the wider viewpoint (but obviously not in terms of the actual votes
>cast) it doesn't make it look so much a clear vote of confidence.
>More one of apathy, but then that's the same as our political system.
>
>Kevin
>
>
>
>Kevin Symonds
>Librarian
>MRC Cognition and Brain Sciences Unit
>15 Chaucer Road
>Cambridge
>CB2 2EF
>
>Tel: 01223 355294 ext 110
>Fax: 01223 359062
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:23:34 -0000
>From: John Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Mcsean, Tony (ELS) wrote:
> > I assume that you meant this light-heartedly and weren't seriously
> > questioning the integrity of the staff and members concerned, or
> > indeed seriously over-estimating the ability of anyone to put
> > together a conspiracy on that scale within Cilip. More likely that
> > the tyres of Diana Spencer's Merc were shot out by JFK and Elvis
> > because she had found out the secret of the Rothwell alien and was
> > about to tell the Dalai Lama.
>
>I have a simpler explanation: the 2005 Reduced rate is cheaper for everyone
>under Option 1 (by the simple device of having a larger, albeit flat-rate
>Prompt Payment Discount) than under Option 2. It is hardly surprising that
>Option 1 won - in fact, you could have predicted it.
>
>John Briggs
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:27:56 -0000
>From: John Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Frances Hendrix wrote:
> > Yes now that the voting is out of the way, I hope Cilip can begin to
> > address in a transparent way, many of the issues raised during the run
> > up to the vote. Also I am sure the membership will be waiting to see
> > the improvements, which over time will accrue for the saving of time.
>
>I, for one, can't see how there can possibly be any improvements - because
>there will be less money collected in 2005 under Option 1 than under Option
>2.
>
>John Briggs
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:39:30 +0000
>From: GEOFFREY SMITH <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
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>I'm not so pessimistic! Surely cilip council and Bob and his team have
>heard the messages and are good enough managers to reallocate existing
>resources to provide the services and initiatives that we require.
>Will they say so?
>Geoff Smith
>
>John Briggs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>Frances Hendrix wrote:
> > Yes now that the voting is out of the way, I hope Cilip can begin to
> > address in a transparent way, many of the issues raised during the run
> > up to the vote. Also I am sure the membership will be waiting to see
> > the improvements, which over time will accrue for the saving of time.
>
>I, for one, can't see how there can possibly be any improvements - because
>there will be less money collected in 2005 under Option 1 than under Option
>2.
>
>John Briggs
>
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><DIV>I'm not so pessimistic! Surely cilip council and Bob and his team have
>heard the messages and are good enough managers to reallocate existing
>resources to provide the services and initiatives that we require.</DIV>
><DIV>Will they say so?</DIV>
><DIV>Geoff Smith<BR><BR><B><I>John Briggs
><[log in to unmask]></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
><BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px;
>BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Frances Hendrix wrote:<BR>> Yes now that
>the voting is out of the way, I hope Cilip can begin to<BR>> address in
>a transparent way, many of the issues raised during the run<BR>> up to
>the vote. Also I am sure the membership will be waiting to see<BR>> the
>improvements, which over time will accrue for the saving of time.<BR><BR>I,
>for one, can't see how there can possibly be any improvements -
>because<BR>there will be less money collected in 2005 under Option 1 than
>under Option<BR>2.<BR><BR>John Briggs<BR></BLOCKQUOTE>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 14:49:45 -0000
>From: "Ajibade, Tayo" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
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>Don't know how John can be certain there will be less money collected. =
>Even if this is the case, the subscriptions will start to be collected =
>in a more predictable way.=20
>
>If membership renewal becomes automated, the finance stream will be more =
>stable, i.e. direct debit payments and renewal being automatic if you =
>were a member the year before and a payment authority has been set up. =
>This will mean less of a deficit while waiting for someone to renew.
>
>Money is spent on reminders and sending material to lapsed members while =
>waiting for unpaid subscriptions. This means that at the moment money is =
>spent each year providing services and/or reminders to renew for =
>individuals who may not have paid their membership dues and indeed in =
>the end may decide not renew.
>
>Geoff if you want a response from Bob or CILIP Council it is best to =
>email directly [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]
>
>Regards
>
>Tayo Ajibade
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals =
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of GEOFFREY SMITH
>Sent: 18 November 2004 14:40
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate =
>subscription system
>
>
>I'm not so pessimistic! Surely cilip council and Bob and his team have =
>heard the messages and are good enough managers to reallocate existing =
>resources to provide the services and initiatives that we require.
>Will they say so?
>Geoff Smith
>
>John Briggs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>Frances Hendrix wrote:
> > Yes now that the voting is out of the way, I hope Cilip can begin to
> > address in a transparent way, many of the issues raised during the run
> > up to the vote. Also I am sure the membership will be waiting to see
> > the improvements, which over time will accrue for the saving of time.
>
>I, for one, can't see how there can possibly be any improvements - =
>because
>there will be less money collected in 2005 under Option 1 than under =
>Option
>2.
>
>John Briggs
>
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>
> resources to provide the services and initiatives that we =
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> <DIV>Will they say so?</DIV>
> <DIV>Geoff Smith<BR><BR><B><I>John Briggs=20
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>hope=20
> Cilip can begin to<BR>> address in a transparent way, many of the =
>issues=20
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> will be waiting to see<BR>> the improvements, which over time =
>will accrue=20
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:03:54 -0000
>From: John Briggs <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Ajibade, Tayo wrote:
> > Don't know how John can be certain there will be less money
> > collected. Even if this is the case, the subscriptions will start to
> > be collected in a more predictable way.
> >
> > If membership renewal becomes automated, the finance stream will be
> > more stable, i.e. direct debit payments and renewal being automatic
> > if you were a member the year before and a payment authority has been
> > set up. This will mean less of a deficit while waiting for someone to
> > renew.
> >
> > Money is spent on reminders and sending material to lapsed members
> > while waiting for unpaid subscriptions. This means that at the moment
> > money is spent each year providing services and/or reminders to renew
> > for individuals who may not have paid their membership dues and
> > indeed in the end may decide not renew.
>
>I was confining my comment to 2005. As the Option 1 rates are less than
>those of Option 2 (the existing system increased in line with inflation),
>there cannot possibly be more money collected. The best that can be hoped
>for is that the reduced sum is collected quickly - and there is no
>guarantee
>of that.
>
>John Briggs
>
>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:25:39 -0000
>From: Mike Morris <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
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>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ajibade, Tayo
>Sent: 18 November 2004 14:50
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Geoff if you want a response from Bob or CILIP Council it is best to email
>directly [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]
>Regards
>Tayo Ajibade
>Wasn't there going to be a response to the list?
>
>Mike Morris, Librarian, ISCA
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><st1:PersonName
>w:st=3D"on">Chartered Library and Information =
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>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
>Behalf
>Of </span></b>Ajibade, Tayo<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 18 November 2004 =
>14:50<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
>[log in to unmask]<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: CILIP =
>members vote
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><a =
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><p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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><p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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><p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:45:04 -0000
>From: "Ajibade, Tayo" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
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>Who said they would respond and what was the time frame?
>=20
>Tayo Ajibade
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Mike Morris
>Sent: 18 November 2004 15:26
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>
>=20
>=20
>=20
>
> _____ =20
>
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ajibade, Tayo
>Sent: 18 November 2004 14:50
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>=20
>Geoff if you want a response from Bob or CILIP Council it is best to
>email directly [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]
>Regards
>Tayo Ajibade
>Wasn't there going to be a response to the list?=20
>=20
>Mike Morris, Librarian, ISCA
>51 Banbury Rd., Oxford OX2 6PE 01865 274671
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> size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Chartered Library =
>and=20
> Information Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]]<B>On =
>Behalf Of=20
> </B>Mike Morris<BR><B>Sent:</B> 18 November 2004 15:26<BR><B>To:</B>=20
> [log in to unmask]<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: CILIP members vote=20
> overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription system<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
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> <st1:PersonName w:st=3D"on">Chartered Library and Information=20
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> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">On Behalf Of </SPAN></B>Ajibade, =
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> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B> =
>[log in to unmask]<BR><B><SPAN=20
> style=3D"FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: CILIP members vote =
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> overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription=20
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>10pt">Geoff if=20
> you want a response from Bob or CILIP Council it is best to=20
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> =
>href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</A> or=
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> <P><FONT face=3D"Times New Roman" size=3D2><SPAN=20
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:56:13 -0000
>From: Mike Morris <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
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>Chris Armstrong on the 8th November. We were instructed to "watch this
>space", which I'm still doing.
>
>Mike Morris, Librarian, ISCA
>51 Banbury Rd., Oxford OX2 6PE 01865 274671
>
> _____
>
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ajibade, Tayo
>Sent: 18 November 2004 15:45
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Who said they would respond and what was the time frame?
>
>Tayo Ajibade
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Mike Morris
>Sent: 18 November 2004 15:26
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ajibade, Tayo
>Sent: 18 November 2004 14:50
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Geoff if you want a response from Bob or CILIP Council it is best to email
>directly [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]
>Regards
>Tayo Ajibade
>Wasn't there going to be a response to the list?
>
>Mike Morris, Librarian, ISCA
>51 Banbury Rd., Oxford OX2 6PE 01865 274671
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><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Chris Armstrong on the =
>8<sup>th</sup> November.
>We were instructed to “watch this space”, which I’m =
>still
>doing.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><div>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
>Roman"><span
>style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Mike Morris, =
>Librarian,
>ISCA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:address w:st=3D"on"><st1:Street =
>w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D3
> color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
> mso-no-proof:yes'>51 Banbury Rd.</span></font></st1:Street><font =
>color=3Dnavy><span
> style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>, <st1:City =
>w:st=3D"on">Oxford</st1:City> <st1:PostalCode
> w:st=3D"on">OX2 6PE</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:address><font
>color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'> 01865 =
>274671<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
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>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
>font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
>size=3D2
>face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
><st1:PersonName
>w:st=3D"on">Chartered Library and Information =
>Professionals</st1:PersonName>
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
>Behalf
>Of </span></b>Ajibade, Tayo<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 18 November 2004 =
>15:45<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
>[log in to unmask]<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: CILIP =
>members vote
>overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription =
>system</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
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>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
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><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
>Roman"><span
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Who said they would respond and =
>what was
>the time frame?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
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>
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>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dblue face=3D"Times New =
>Roman"><span
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;color:blue'>Tayo =
>Ajibade</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
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>
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><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3D2 =
>face=3DTahoma><span
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original =
>Message-----<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> <st1:PersonName =
>w:st=3D"on">Chartered
> Library and Information Professionals</st1:PersonName>
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]<b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
>Behalf Of
></span></b>Mike Morris<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 18 November 2004 =
>15:26<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
>[log in to unmask]<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: CILIP =
>members vote
>overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription =
>system</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
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>
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>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><font size=3D2 face=3DTahoma><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
>font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font =
>size=3D2
>face=3DTahoma><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> =
><st1:PersonName
>w:st=3D"on">Chartered Library and Information =
>Professionals</st1:PersonName>
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] <b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>On =
>Behalf
>Of </span></b>Ajibade, Tayo<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 18 November 2004 =
>14:50<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> =
>[log in to unmask]<br>
><b><span style=3D'font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: CILIP =
>members vote
>overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription =
>system</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
></div>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:
>12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><div>
>
><p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Geoff if
>you want a response from Bob or CILIP Council it is best to
>email directly <a =
>href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a> or=
>
><a =
>href=3D"mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]</a>.<=
>/span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Regards</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'>Tayo
>Ajibade<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
>Arial;color:navy'>Wasn’t there going to be a response to the list? =
><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
>Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><font size=3D3 color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New =
>Roman"><span
>style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>Mike Morris, =
>Librarian,
>ISCA<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p class=3DMsoNormal><st1:address w:st=3D"on"><st1:Street =
>w:st=3D"on"><font size=3D3
> color=3Dnavy face=3D"Times New Roman"><span =
>style=3D'font-size:12.0pt;color:navy;
> mso-no-proof:yes'>51 Banbury Rd.</span></font></st1:Street><font =
>color=3Dnavy><span
> style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'>, <st1:City =
>w:st=3D"on">Oxford</st1:City> <st1:PostalCode
> w:st=3D"on">OX2 6PE</st1:PostalCode></span></font></st1:address><font
>color=3Dnavy><span style=3D'color:navy;mso-no-proof:yes'> 01865 =
>274671<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
>
><p><font size=3D2 color=3Dnavy face=3DArial><span =
>style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:17:58 -0000
>From: Tim Buckley Owen <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Information from Tim Buckley Owen:
>
>The initial response to which Chris Armstrong referred came in a posting
>to LIS-CILIP dated 9 November timed at 13:17, and was signed by Karen
>Blakeman (Chair of Executive Board), Maggie Haines (President), Andrew
>Wale (Hon Treasurer), Sandra Ward (Chair of Council) and Margaret Watson
>(Past President).
>
>This was followed by 2 further more detailed postings, dealing
>respectively with the calculations behind the subscriptions reform
>proposals (9 November 13:28) and issues relating to CILIP services (11
>November 11:55).
>
>I can repost any of these messages if people wish, although you may
>prefer not to have your mailboxes clogged with repeat postings and go
>back instead to the original ones at the dates and times shown above.
>
>Finally, in their first posting, the Honorary Officers said: 'Members
>have raised some important - indeed fundamental - issues, including
>CILIP's responsiveness as a member-led organisation, the range of
>services it provides to members, the effectiveness of its advocacy, and
>whether all of this represents value for money. There are some clearly
>articulated criticisms here, and we take them seriously. We'll be
>commenting on all of these issues very soon.' =20
>
>I understand that this response is coming early next week.
>
>Tim Buckley Owen.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Morris [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 18 November 2004 15:56
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>
>Chris Armstrong on the 8th November. We were instructed to "watch this
>space", which I'm still doing.
>=20
>Mike Morris, Librarian, ISCA
>51 Banbury Rd., Oxford OX2 6PE 01865 274671
>=20
>
>
>
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ajibade, Tayo
>Sent: 18 November 2004 15:45
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>=20
>Who said they would respond and what was the time frame?
>=20
>Tayo Ajibade
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
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>Sent: 18 November 2004 15:26
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>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
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>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Ajibade, Tayo
>Sent: 18 November 2004 14:50
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>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
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>Geoff if you want a response from Bob or CILIP Council it is best to
>email directly [log in to unmask] or [log in to unmask]
>Regards
>Tayo Ajibade
>Wasn't there going to be a response to the list?=20
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:45:51 -0000
>From: Guy Daines <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Postal Ballot - Scrutineer's Report
>
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><P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">Members' may be interested in the =
>official Scrutineers' Report for the postal ballot on =
>subscriptions. The Scrutineers were appointed by the AGM itself and =
>were: Margaret Watson, Sheila Corrall, and Bob Hellen. In addition =
>Alison Jobey, a scrutineer appointed by CILIP Council to oversee counts =
>for elections also presided and acted as Chair of the Scrutineers. You =
>will also find the Scrutineers' report with the AGM details on the CILIP =
>website at:</FONT></P>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial"><A =
>HREF=3D"http://www.cilip.org.uk/aboutcilip/howcilipworks/agm">http://www.=
>cilip.org.uk/aboutcilip/howcilipworks/agm</A></FONT>
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><BR>
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><P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">In addition to the information in the =
>Scrutineers' report (but reported to them of course) you may wish to =
>know that we issued 60 replacement ballot papers and that there was a =
>discrepancy of 13 in the number of ballot papers returned by the =
>distributor compared with the number that should have been issued =
>(i.e. 13 members would not have received papers). In addition we noted =
>from the discussion list that three members complained of receiving more =
>than one ballot paper, amounting to 4 extra ballot papers in all. In =
>total this amounts to 77 recorded errors (although some of which may =
>have balanced each other out) or 0.4% of the ballot papers issued. There =
>may have been others that were not reported to us. We will be discussing =
>this issue with our distributors in the near future.</FONT></P>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">In addition to the above we had a =
>number of people complain to us that they had not received ballot who =
>were not eligible to vote. In the main this was because they had not =
>paid their subscriptions by the 1 May, after which Members lose the =
>right to vote during that year. There were also a few who were =
>Affiliates and, because of a ruling by the Privy Council, are not =
>allowed to vote at AGMs or associated postal ballots.</FONT></P>
><BR>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D2 FACE=3D"Arial">I hope this helps clarify the electoral =
>process.</FONT>
></P>
>
><P><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Guy Daines</FONT>
>
><BR><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Head of Policy & =
>Governance</FONT>
>
><BR><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">CILIP</FONT>
>
><BR><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Tel: 020 7255 0632</FONT>
>
><BR><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Mobile: 07746 796387</FONT>
>
><BR><FONT FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Email: [log in to unmask]</FONT>
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><P ALIGN=3DCENTER><B><FONT SIZE=3D5 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">POSTAL =
>BALLOT ON CILIP SUBSCRIPTIONS</FONT></B></P>
><BR>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">We, being Scrutineers =
>appointed by Council under the Byelaws to supervise the postal ballot on =
>CILIP subscriptions declare the result of the ballot to be as =
>follows:</FONT></P>
><BR>
><BR>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">The number of voting papers =
>issued: 17,643</FONT>
></P>
><BR>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">The result was:</FONT>
></P>
>
><P><B><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Option =
>1 </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D4 =
>FACE=3D"Times New Roman">flat rate with concessions by =
>2008 3880</FONT>
></P>
>
><P><B><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Option =
>2 </FONT></B> <FONT SIZE=3D4 =
>FACE=3D"Times New Roman">income-related system =
>with 1124</FONT>
>
><BR> <FONT SIZE=3D4 =
>FACE=3D"Times New Roman">inflation increase</FONT>
></P>
><BR>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Number of ballots =
>returned =
> =
> =
>5022 </FONT>
>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Disqualified before opening =
>envelope =
> =
> =
>0 </FONT>
>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Disqualified after opening =
>envelope =
> =
> =
> 18</FONT>
>
><BR><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Percentage =
>Returned =
> =
> =
> 28.6%</FONT>
></P>
><BR>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Therefore we declare that =
>Option 1 is carried.</FONT>
></P>
><BR>
><BR>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Prof S Corrall Mr R =
>Hellen</FONT>
></P>
><BR>
><BR>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">Ms A =
>Jobey Mrs M Watson</FONT>
></P>
><BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>
><P><FONT SIZE=3D4 FACE=3D"Times New Roman">17 November 2004</FONT>
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:47:47 -0000
>From: "Crawford, John" <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>Dear all
>
>I have not contributed to this debate up till now, mainly because of
>lack of time but I think Francis makes a good point. I have not had time
>to look at all the points made but overall they show a lack of
>congruence between CILIP's aims and what members want or as John Briggs
>put it rather more succinctly 'Perhaps CILIP should dissolve the
>membership and elect a new one'.
>I think the discussion generated by the subscription debate has been
>very useful and we need a lot more of it.=20
>May I suggest that, as a positive first step, Tim compiles a report
>summarising the issues for presentation to an appropriate CILIP
>committee for discussion. The Professional Practice Committee would be
>ideal and as it meets on January 11th 2005 there is ample time for
>preparation.
>The essential problem with CILIP, in my view, is that it is an activist
>culture, not a rank and file culture (if you want to get a lot out of
>CILIP you have to put a lot in) and it is now time to tackle this issue.
>While I am aware that CILIP has plans in this direction I think we have
>to look for consultation mechanisms which favour the rank and file, not
>the activist culture which we presently have. This argues for a lot more
>survey and evaluation.=20
>The Group of which I am chairman, the Library and Information History
>Group, was one of the first to undertake a membership satisfaction
>survey and this without a policy steer from CILIP which has not as yet,
>as far as I am aware done anything in this direction.
>The discussions show a fair degree of cynicism about CILIP as a
>professional body and a simple piece of desk research could help us
>here. I believe on anecdotal evidence that disillusionment is widespread
>among the members of professional bodies.
>I would like to know objectively
>1 Is this the case?
>2 Are other professional bodies doing anything about and can we learn
>from them
>
>This is something that Membership Information Services staff could do.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Dr. John Crawford,
>Library Research Officer,=20
>Glasgow Caledonian University,
>Room 302, (3rd floor)
>6 Rose Street,
>Glasgow,
>G3 6RB
>Tel: 0141-270-1360
>Email [log in to unmask] ac.uk=20
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
>Sent: 18 November 2004 11:56
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>Yes now that the voting is out of the way, I hope Cilip can begin to
>address in a transparent way, many of the issues raised during the run
>up to the vote. Also I am sure the membership will be waiting to see the
>improvements, which over time will accrue for the saving of time.
>f=20
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bert Washington
>Sent: 18 November 2004 11:15
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>With the result now announced on the subscription issue I guess voting
>has now ended. It's a shame that I did not get the opportunity to vote,
>having as yet still not received my postal ballot (I wonder how many
>others this has happened to)?
>
>Bert Washington.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Tim Buckley Owen
>Sent: 18 November 2004 10:06
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
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>------------------------------
>
>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:14:09 -0000
>From: Diana Nutting <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>I do so agree with this as far as activist and rank and file are concerned.
>To say that if you want to get a lot out of CILIP you have to put a lot in
>can be asking too much at any given time. It's not reasonable or even
>possible for everyone to be an activist all the time. Several people have
>already raised the geographic issue, most of us have careers (or even just
>jobs), and many of us have family commitments of various kinds. This can
>change so that we can be more or less active in CILIP at various stages
>throughout our membership, but the mere fact that circumstances prevent us
>being active shouldn't mean we aren't entitled to a point of view or a
>means
>of expressing it. And to state the obvious, one thing that we all put in is
>money, which gives us a right to an opinion on how that money is spent.
>
>Diana Nutting
>Information Liaison Manager
>Business Link for London
>Link House
>292-308 Southbury Road
>Enfield EN1 1TS
>020 8443 7229
>[log in to unmask]
>www.businesslink4london.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Crawford, John [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 18 November 2004 16:48
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>
>Dear all
>
>I have not contributed to this debate up till now, mainly because of
>lack of time but I think Francis makes a good point. I have not had time
>to look at all the points made but overall they show a lack of
>congruence between CILIP's aims and what members want or as John Briggs
>put it rather more succinctly 'Perhaps CILIP should dissolve the
>membership and elect a new one'.
>I think the discussion generated by the subscription debate has been
>very useful and we need a lot more of it.
>May I suggest that, as a positive first step, Tim compiles a report
>summarising the issues for presentation to an appropriate CILIP
>committee for discussion. The Professional Practice Committee would be
>ideal and as it meets on January 11th 2005 there is ample time for
>preparation.
>The essential problem with CILIP, in my view, is that it is an activist
>culture, not a rank and file culture (if you want to get a lot out of
>CILIP you have to put a lot in) and it is now time to tackle this issue.
>While I am aware that CILIP has plans in this direction I think we have
>to look for consultation mechanisms which favour the rank and file, not
>the activist culture which we presently have. This argues for a lot more
>survey and evaluation.
>The Group of which I am chairman, the Library and Information History
>Group, was one of the first to undertake a membership satisfaction
>survey and this without a policy steer from CILIP which has not as yet,
>as far as I am aware done anything in this direction.
>The discussions show a fair degree of cynicism about CILIP as a
>professional body and a simple piece of desk research could help us
>here. I believe on anecdotal evidence that disillusionment is widespread
>among the members of professional bodies.
>I would like to know objectively
>1 Is this the case?
>2 Are other professional bodies doing anything about and can we learn
>from them
>
>This is something that Membership Information Services staff could do.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Dr. John Crawford,
>Library Research Officer,
>Glasgow Caledonian University,
>Room 302, (3rd floor)
>6 Rose Street,
>Glasgow,
>G3 6RB
>Tel: 0141-270-1360
>Email [log in to unmask] ac.uk
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
>Sent: 18 November 2004 11:56
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>Yes now that the voting is out of the way, I hope Cilip can begin to
>address in a transparent way, many of the issues raised during the run
>up to the vote. Also I am sure the membership will be waiting to see the
>improvements, which over time will accrue for the saving of time.
>f
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bert Washington
>Sent: 18 November 2004 11:15
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>With the result now announced on the subscription issue I guess voting
>has now ended. It's a shame that I did not get the opportunity to vote,
>having as yet still not received my postal ballot (I wonder how many
>others this has happened to)?
>
>Bert Washington.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Tim Buckley Owen
>Sent: 18 November 2004 10:06
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
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>Date: Thu, 18 Nov 2004 17:40:13 -0000
>From: Frances Hendrix <[log in to unmask]>
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
>A very sensible suggestion which I support.
>I think expectations have been raised, and in the new regime, to attract
>and retain more members this would be a way forward.
>f=20
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Crawford, John
>Sent: 18 November 2004 16:48
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>Dear all
>
>I have not contributed to this debate up till now, mainly because of
>lack of time but I think Francis makes a good point. I have not had time
>to look at all the points made but overall they show a lack of
>congruence between CILIP's aims and what members want or as John Briggs
>put it rather more succinctly 'Perhaps CILIP should dissolve the
>membership and elect a new one'.
>I think the discussion generated by the subscription debate has been
>very useful and we need a lot more of it.=20
>May I suggest that, as a positive first step, Tim compiles a report
>summarising the issues for presentation to an appropriate CILIP
>committee for discussion. The Professional Practice Committee would be
>ideal and as it meets on January 11th 2005 there is ample time for
>preparation.
>The essential problem with CILIP, in my view, is that it is an activist
>culture, not a rank and file culture (if you want to get a lot out of
>CILIP you have to put a lot in) and it is now time to tackle this issue.
>While I am aware that CILIP has plans in this direction I think we have
>to look for consultation mechanisms which favour the rank and file, not
>the activist culture which we presently have. This argues for a lot more
>survey and evaluation.=20
>The Group of which I am chairman, the Library and Information History
>Group, was one of the first to undertake a membership satisfaction
>survey and this without a policy steer from CILIP which has not as yet,
>as far as I am aware done anything in this direction.
>The discussions show a fair degree of cynicism about CILIP as a
>professional body and a simple piece of desk research could help us
>here. I believe on anecdotal evidence that disillusionment is widespread
>among the members of professional bodies.
>I would like to know objectively
>1 Is this the case?
>2 Are other professional bodies doing anything about and can we learn
>from them
>
>This is something that Membership Information Services staff could do.
>
>Best wishes
>
>Dr. John Crawford,
>Library Research Officer,
>Glasgow Caledonian University,
>Room 302, (3rd floor)
>6 Rose Street,
>Glasgow,
>G3 6RB
>Tel: 0141-270-1360
>Email [log in to unmask] ac.uk=20
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Frances Hendrix
>Sent: 18 November 2004 11:56
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>Yes now that the voting is out of the way, I hope Cilip can begin to
>address in a transparent way, many of the issues raised during the run
>up to the vote. Also I am sure the membership will be waiting to see the
>improvements, which over time will accrue for the saving of time.
>f=20
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bert Washington
>Sent: 18 November 2004 11:15
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate
>subscription system
>
>With the result now announced on the subscription issue I guess voting
>has now ended. It's a shame that I did not get the opportunity to vote,
>having as yet still not received my postal ballot (I wonder how many
>others this has happened to)?
>
>Bert Washington.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Tim Buckley Owen
>Sent: 18 November 2004 10:06
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: CILIP members vote overwhelmingly for flat rate subscription
>system
>
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>
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>
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