All that was implied by "I vote myself a huge payrise"? Blimey. I wonder what else you've said over the years that has been
dismissed because it was a one liner and we missed the paragraph or so of implication?
Anyway, I'm happy to agree in decrying the reactionary use of phrases like "we are the organisation", overlooking as it does the
existence of hierarchies of power and privilege. (We do not talk about abuse within families in this way, to take an extreme
example - yet children are as much "the family" as their parents are.) This can be put to disempowering purposes. But so can the
flip side of the coin: "*they* are the organisation", which overlooks the existence of a possibility of influencing the people who
have power and privilege. Mere members are not powerless. Certainly not in relation to people who are "paid to work for us"!
I've been groping for good analogies, but have failed to think of any. So here's a bad one. Prisoners are not the prison, but
nor are the prison authorities. The great secret of the prison system is that it depends on the co-operation of the incarcerated.
Dan
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Morris
> Sent: 04 November 2004 10:20
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CILIP Subscriptions
>
>
> Dan seems to be missing the point. For the hard of thinking,
> what I was implying was that as an individual, I can shout as
> hard as I like about the disgraceful levels of pay in the
> profession, but the same information would have rather more
> clout coming from the organization I pay to represent me. All
> this "Ah well I always say we are the organization" stuff
> just lets people who are paid to work for us off the hook,
> and encourages the current supine attitude. Funny enough for you?
>
> Mike Morris, Librarian, ISCA
> 51 Banbury Rd., Oxford OX2 6PE 01865 274671
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bye, Dan J
> Sent: 04 November 2004 10:12
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: CILIP Subscriptions
>
> Am I alone in being reminded of a poor man's version of
> Private Eye's "Mike Giggler" when reading 'contributions'
> from Mike Morris?
>
> Edward Dudley's comments are extremely important. The
> attitude of the
> grass roots of CILIP sometimes put me in mind of certain
> forms of depression. It may or may not
> be true that an active membership will be unable to change
> CILIP in the directions they think it should go in. It is
> *definitely* true that an inactive and uninvolved membership
> will be unable to change
> CILIP. If we *try*, we stand a chance. If we don't
> try, we won't stand any chance.
>
> Dan
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mike Morris
> > Sent: 04 November 2004 09:20
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: Re: CILIP Subscriptions
> >
> >
> > Mike Morris, Librarian, ISCA
> > 51 Banbury Rd., Oxford OX2 6PE 01865 274671
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Edward Dudley
> > Sent: 03 November 2004 17:34
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Subject: CILIP Subscriptions
> >
> > .....members voting (it's usually in the very low double
> > figures) is another opportunity for leading from the
> bottom. It's not
> > a member led institution if members fail to lead.
> >
> > Edward Dudley
> >
> >
> >
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> > Quite right. I vote myself a huge pay rise.
> >
> >
> > Mike Morris
> >
>
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