I agree with Diana. Re-reading the postings, there is nothing bitchy in
them. I am greatly saddened by the demise of Aslib, an organisation I was
proud to be a personal member of for many years (as well as my employers
being members), and whose committees I served on for about ten years.
Charles
Professor Charles Oppenheim
Department of Information Science
Loughborough University
Loughborough
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Diana Nutting" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2004 5:12 PM
Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
> I really resent being referred to as bitchy. I have just re-read the
> postings and no one on this list has made a negative comment about Aslib's
> staff. But for the sake of CILIP, which is sensibly striving to ensure
that
> its own future is on a firm footing, we do need to understand what went
> wrong at Aslib including the fact that that unless an organisation is
> clearly in tune with developments in its industry and the needs of its
> customers, it will go under. Pretending that everything in Aslib's garden
> was rosy and that this is a result of some outside cataclysmic force
doesn't
> help anyone - least of all those who may now have to find new jobs in a
hard
> world.
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Prof Bruce Royan [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 17 December 2004 16:48
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
>
>
> Nicole
> Can I just say that the generally bitchy and negative tone of a lot of the
> postings on this list (not just about ASLIB), doesn't reflect the outlook
of
> the majority of CILIP members, who will I believe be saddened to see ASLIB
> so troubled, and especially concerned that some sort of resolution should
be
> found for ASLIB's loyal staff, especially at this time of year.
> Very best wishes
> Bruce
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Aslib Training
> Sent: 16 December 2004 11:19
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
>
> On behalf of all the Aslib staff, it has been sad to see all the comments
> displayed.
>
> I am pleased to say that this isn't representative of everyone in the
> profession: we have had a tremendous amount of support and there is
> obviously a widespread desire for Aslib to continue its valuable
> contribution to the profession.
>
> Nicole Adamides
> Aslib Training
>
>
>
> >From: Stella Dextre Clarke <[log in to unmask]>
> >Reply-To: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> ><[log in to unmask]>
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
> >Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2004 11:19:15 -0000
> >
> >Hear Hear! Aslib has been going down the hill for the last 25 years or
> >more, and it's no use weeping for the glory days of Belgrave Square.
> >Maybe useful to buy their membership mailing list before it becomes too
> >out of date? And CILIP/TFPL could approach the individuals who lead the
> >more successful training courses, to add to their own portfolios? The
> >journals have already gone to Emerald, so nothing to salve there. And
> >as for the library collection - last time I visited the neglect was
> >painful to behold. The once renowned collection of thesauri still had a
> >few jewels, but who wants the reference works of the seventies and
> eighties?
> >Only a few dedicated scholars.
> >Stella
> >
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> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of C.Oppenheim
> >Sent: 15 December 2004 10:37
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
> >
> >
> >I agree with Ian; perhaps the only thing worth having is the goodwill
> >associated with the name Aslib, and I suspect it's value is not that
> >great any more.
> >
> >Charles
> >
> >Professor Charles Oppenheim
> >Department of Information Science
> >Loughborough University
> >Loughborough
> >Leics LE11 3TU
> >
> >Tel 01509-223065
> >Fax 01509-223053
> >e mail [log in to unmask]
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Ian Johnson" <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 10:22 AM
> >Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
> >
> >
> >The real issue is whether any prospective buyer would operate Aslib as
> >a pure commercial entity like Tfpl, or try to continue as membership
> >based association. Aslib has masqueraded as a professional association
> >for a long time, but there is little obvious evidence that it has
> >represented the corporate bodies' interests in any significant and
> >useful way in recent years. As a commercial entity, it has been
> >'selling off the family silver' for years, and has nothing left to sell
> >other than its name and the business record of its training and
> >consultancy activities, both of which have an unpredictable potential.
> >What they are worth is therefore debatable, and I'm not sure that I
> >would want CILIP to invest in purchasing them rather than developing
> >its own activities in the same fields.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of JACKIE FISHLEIGH
> >Sent: 15 December 2004 10:00
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
> >
> >
> >I was amazed that a UK library membership group could go under as a
> >direct result of the consequences of 9/11. Charles Oppenheim's
> >explanation makes far more sense to me. I think we should be honest
> >about the difficulties faced by Aslib because if these are not properly
> >resolved what future can there be.
> >
> >Jackie Fishleigh
> >Librarian
> >Payne Hicks Beach
> >10 New Square
> >Lincoln's Inn
> >WC2A 3QG
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals
> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Crawford, John
> >Sent: 15 December 2004 09:49
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Chartered Library and Information Professionals on
> >behalf of Alan Pritchard
> > Sent: Wed 15/12/2004 08:50
> > To: [log in to unmask]
> > Cc:
> > Subject: Re: Future of Aslib
> >
> >
> >
> > > I wonder whether CILIP would consider this an opportunity to
> >discuss
> > > with Aslib the possible merger of the two organisations.
> >There is almost
> > > complete overlap in subject interests, and it would seem
> >better to have
> > > one strong organisation representing both individual and
> >corporate
> > > members of the profession.
> > >
> > > Besides, a joint organisation might then end up with a
> >library again!
> > >
> >
> > I found that very sad. I did a summer work placement at
> >Belgrave Square
> > when I was a student. Spent a lot of time reading old journals
> >(ProcBSIB,
> > JDoc etc) But before I fully go into 'boring old fart
> >reminiscing' mode, I
> > do have a more substantial point.
> >
> > I just wonder if a single organisation consisting of both
> >personal and
> > corporate members could actually work. Other than just having
> >a few of the
> > latter as supporting members. There are enough conflicts of
> >interests with
> > differing segments of personal members, but I could see much
> >more
> > fundamental conflict between, say, the LA acting as the
> >professional
> > regulator of special librarians and attempting to represent
> >the interests
> > of the corporate employers of those librarians.
> >
> > I may be out of date, but I am not aware of any major
> >organisations which
> > operate on this model. BCS, IEE, IoD - personal members. CBI
> >etc
> >-
> > corporate members.
> >
> > Best wishes
> > Alan Pritchard
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> >
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