surely the current method of charging is already means testing?
Charles
Professor Charles Oppenheim
Department of Information Science
Loughborough University
Loughborough
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Tomlinson" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:23 AM
Subject: Re: New flat-rate subscription for CILIP
> How is Cilip going to determine what is a low wage? What may be an OK wage
> for a single person with no dependents will not be OK for a single person
> with dependents (those with caring responsibilities or children). Is CILIP
> going to introduce a form of means testing - is so I for one will not be
> renewing my membership.
> Jane Tomlinson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Derek Harper [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 07 June 2004 10:34
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: New flat-rate subscription for CILIP
>
>
> Agree absolutely, Laura; it is utterly regressive.
>
> Perhaps the CILIP page should have a balancing set of FAQs: "what are the
> advantages of the present system?" Here are some rejoinders to the answers
> currently presented:
>
> Why does CILIP's subscription system need to change? Because the present
> system is over-complicated:
> [it's been in existence for decades - surely IT should make it easier to
> administrate? And, it's complicated for perfectly valid reasons - who says
> it's "over"-complicated?. Having a 3-year transition period - now that
does
> sound complicated]
>
> , hits members particularly hard at Christmas time,
> [erm - I don't want to be churlish, but if you pay the lot in one go, it's
> going to hit hard whenever it happens. Summer holiday time could be just
as
> bad. If that's a problem, there's surely already the means to spread the
> burden. And, apart from new members, it would appear that Christmas is
still
> going to be when the bill appears]
>
> and results in subscriptions continuing to rise as your income does,
even
> though CILIP provides no additional services in return. [if CILIP has had
> any success in raising the income levels of its members, then it has
> automatically provided an extremely valuable service to those benefitting
> from higher incomes. The beauty of the current system is that, provided
the
> actual rates for each band don't rise, but bands are merely added at the
top
> of the tree, CILIP's income will increase together with the income of its
> members.]
>
> How will the new system work? Most personal members ..... will no longer
> have to tell CILIP each year how much you earn. [If the choice is between
> the laborious task of ticking a box on the renewal form, and paying a
> substantially higher flat rate, I think many will cheerfully opt for the
> former]
>
> Can I get a discount even if I don't pay it all at once? Yes - if you go
> onto Direct Debit. Then you will be able to pay by instalments throughout
> the year if you wish, and still receive a discount on your subscription.
[If
> this doesn't already exist, it can be introduced without restructuring the
> fees]
>
> Are there any other ways I can save money on my CILIP subscription?
[Hint -
> negotiate through your union for employers who insist on CILIP membership
to
> repay all your fee]
>
> Personally I would like to see lower income bands paying far less - even
> free as Paul Catherall suggests. I'm also a bit perplexed by everyone's
> nervousness about stating income range. How many people have access to
this
> information? Interesting that those on very low incomes are still going to
> have to make a declaration - unfortunate discrimination if we really are
so
> sensitive about it.
>
> Apologies for length of this!
>
> Derek Harper
> Programme and Information Coordinator
> South West of England Regional Development Agency
> 01392 229358
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tassoni, Laura [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 04 June 2004 17:20
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: New flat-rate subscription for CILIP
>
>
> http://www.cilip.org.uk/member/newsubscription.html
> Hi everyone, what do people think about these changes to the CILIP
> subscription system? Seems rather regressive to me. Have we had a
> consultation?
>
> Laura
> ----------------------
> Laura Tassoni
> Information Adviser
> Learning Centre
> Sheffield Hallam University
> 0114 225 4700
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