Just had an interesting conversation with Mark Danderson at NEJM, mainly on the technical problems with the Highwire version of NEJM, where it is a multi-access resource (you get extra bits like exam papers if you are an American subscriber). These resources would be more easily disabled with IP address access apparently. With Athens you would keep getting enter username and password in a never-ending circle if you strayed into areas you weren't enabled for... so he's going off to think about that one.

I had pointed out the way we wished deliver journals in the NHS was primarily through the web, rather than restrictive IP networks and he understood a little more about the beast that is the NHS network and why we want to avoid IP address restrictions. I also pointed out the problem of paying $16k per WDC for what amounts to the last three months of the journal would not make economic sense to a lot of people, especially as most libraries still buy the print version anyway. 

He promises to contact Scott for some more meaningful pricing and networking conversations... sorry Scott...

Regards,

Andy

Andy Richardson
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-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of RICHARDSON, Andy
Sent: 24 November 2004 16:00
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Subject: Re: NEJM and IP Recognition

Thanks for this.

I've just spelt out the NHS England delivery of electronic Journals to NEJM, because I'd had a couple of queries from London librarians asking whether or not I knew about this or whether or not it was a possible buy for National Core Content.

It is blatantly obvious the NEJM has not consulted anyone within the NHS - despite them having a nine member library advisory board. Scott hasn't been approached and I know I haven't in London. Working on their prices $80k for London for one journal (where we have an electronic version - admittedly 3 months later) would be laughed out of court!

Andy


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-----Original Message-----
From: UK medical/ health care library community / information workers [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Duffus Jacqueline (RBK) Walsall Hospitals NHS Trust
Sent: 24 November 2004 15:36
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Subject: Re: NEJM and IP Recognition

Or email your concerns to Marissa.  See reply I had from her below some days
ago.


Dear Jacqui,

As stated in the letter you received, the New England Journal of
Medicine will no longer be offering online access through the username
and password model.  We have however contracted with Ovid Technologies
to continue offering that level of access.  In order to receive online
access through the username and password model, you would need to
contact Ovid Technologies directly as we do not administer this
ourselves.  As they are entirely separate from the New England Journal,
we are not given much information on them or their subscription prices.
Also, if you would like to receive the archive print copy as well, then
that subscription would still go through us.  So you will actually have
two subscriptions, one through Ovid for the online access, and one
through us for the NEJM print copy.

I have attached a link to the OVID Website: www.ovid.com. [log in to unmask]

If you have any additional questions, please feel free to contact me.

Best regards,
Marissa

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-----Original Message-----
From: Dobson, Malcolm [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 24 November 2004 15:31
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Subject: Re: NEJM and IP Recognition


Having suggested we protest, I thought I had better do it - email justs
sent. Watch this space!

Malcolm

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> Glad to know I'm not the only one wondering what to do.  I second
> Malcolm's idea of protesting - please direct your concerns to
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> Once again I wonder whether NHS libraries could not band together and form
> a purchasing consortium.  Perhaps the total of our current subscriptions
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Dobson, Malcolm
> Sent: 24 November 2004 14:29
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> Subject: Re: NEJM and IP Recognition
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>
> Yes, I was equally alarmed by the letter, especially as they had already
> tried this and had backed off after protest. At the moment the NHSScotland
> e-Library is using Ovid, but renewal dates are looming & we have been
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> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Steve Glover [SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
> > Sent: 24 November 2004 14:20
> > To:   [log in to unmask]
> > Subject:      Re: NEJM and IP Recognition
> >
> > Apologies for cross posting
> >
> > Hello Andrew
> >
> > It is worrying that the NEJM has not considered that fact the UK
> > hospitals cannot use IP recognition in a site license. I am hoping
> > (praying) that they find a solution before January 1st or else there
> > will be some disappointed users. Along with the Lancet it is a "must
> > have" for most health care libraries and having to wait for a 6 month
> > embargo is not a realistic solution. It looks like the paper edition
> > will continue to thrive in England.
> >
> > I see that the NEJM had a "library advisory board"
> > (http://www.nejm.org/Institute/AdvisoryBd.asp) when deciding on their
> > new site license/access model, unfortunately most the librarians
> > involved were from North America and were quite happy with IP access.
> >
> > The only way I can see IP working is if the NLH/Core-content can fund an
> > NHS England wide deal, Scott, Ben? Though I would hazard a guess, and I
> > may be wrong, that it would be expensive and if it is not already
> > in-progress too late for the NEJM's switch on January 1st 2005.
> >
> > Also, apologies to NHS librarians in Scotland, Wales and Northern
> > Ireland as I have no idea whether you are facing the same problems on
> > January 1st or have found a solution?
> >
> > I would also be interested to here other views on the New NEJM plans for
> > institutional access.
> >
> > Steve Glover
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> >
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> > Sent: 24 November 2004 13:59
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> > Subject: NEJM and IP Recognition
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> > Hello
> >
> > Am I only one who is alarmed that from January 2005 the NEJM is going to
> > insist on IP recognition, unless we pay for access through Ovid?  If
> > anybody has an opinion on this I would be interested to here it.
> >
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