In article <000c01c444fa$0faac8a0$89c807c4@lngp4>, Leon Geffen
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>>From an outside observer...
>
>Herewith comes the deathknell of what is arguably the most equitable,
>well run health care systems in the world (I know most of you working in
>the system think I'm wrong on how good the NHS is), but you will only
>truly realise it once it's all been lost to profit and greed.
For the patients, yes.
>
>One only has to step outside the NHS anbd view it from another country -
>despite what those ppl who have left to practice in Canada, Australia or
>New Zealand would like you to believe, the NHS despite all its faults is
>truly an amazing institution.
I agree that it is a great institution. I am a full time believer in
publicly funded health care and tend to resist most private medicine. I
still left (but I do work in a publicly funded system now too).
> Which other country provides the level of
>care that you do for the price,
Absolutely - also one of the problems from the providers side of things.
>most other countries with socialised
>healthcare systems demand copayments from patients, tax their citizens
>hugely & don't have universal primary healthcare.
sounds like the uk ;-)
>
>One only has to look at the crappy healthcare system in the USA
>(approximately 40 000 000 Americans don't have access to decent
>healthcare) to realise that the only reason private companies want in is
>to make big bucks, they are wolves in sheeps clothing.
Agree.
>
>10 years down the line you'll all be employed by one or 2 large funders
>and if you think the government is a crappy employer, wait until a
>comapny whose only interest is return on investment starts dictating to
>you on how much money you may earn, how many patients you must see, how
>many hours a week you must work, what targets you must meet etc.
Although I am in agreement with your ideology, I am not certain that pay
would fall. The US docs seem to do ok - and many Canadian trained docs
leave for the US so that they can pay of debts etc
>
>My experience of 3rd party, private healthcare funders - which is what
>we have in South Africa is exactly that. The bureaucracy is 100's time
>worse than any state service.
A likely product of any privately run system - the opportunities for
making a loss in healthcare are legion and difficult to control.
>
>If you have any sense, telll the Yanks to piss off back across the pond,
>fix up their own healthcare system (and the Iraqi one too) before they
>come meddle in your business
>
Agree.
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