Hi Paul, and thanks for the quick reply,

On Thursday, June 24, 2004, at 08:47  PM, Paul Fyfe wrote:

> (...) You appear to start from
> the individual [text at bottom of this email],  but the very notion
> of an individual can't exist without a community - they are
> interdependent. Each can  be creative (generative) of the other - and
> destructive.

What I wrote is but a first draft, so any comments are welcome. Thanks 
for pointing out what you wrote (above). The idea is that as with so 
many other things, communities are of chaordic nature and you can't 
take one side only without looking at the others. Perhaps the format 
and the way it was presented didn't clarify my idea that you can't have 
a community without individuals, and you can't have individuals without 
social structures, but most overlooked, that you can't have either of 
the two without "continuation" as a basic precept based on contents, 
purposes and goals that unites the two (either creatively, as you 
mentioned, or destructively) making them in fact, part of a whole. 
Without the realization that "continuation is the common goal of both 
individuals as well as social structures" (that make the existence of 
individuals possible), we might be in the illusion that individuals can 
exist without social structures, and that social structures can exist 
without individuals (governments without people?), and that the two 
should NOT be pitted against each other, or viewed as being "enemies." 
If this is the case, I mean, that a social structure like a government 
(of any level) is living at the expense of the individuals that make it 
possible, then we are facing a destructive situation that will not last 
for long.

If you wish to visualize it, think of 1) Continuation being a line at 
the bottom of a equilateral triangle; 2) Individuals is the side on the 
right and 3) Social Structures is the third side of the triangle. The 
triangle does not exist (cannot be) without all three sides. What's 
more important, if you don't take into consideration one of the sides, 
any problem you may wish to solve will be more or less impossible to 
comes to grips with because all three sides must be taken into 
consideration in order for you to see the whole picture.

This is a system I've been developing for the study of biodiversity, 
among other things, which I registered under my name and called it 
BIO—AMI: Base de Información Organotopológica—Análisis Multidimensional 
Integrado. The methodology is based on the idea of chaordic/fractal 
realities of simple logarithms that can result in complex, non-linear 
structures.

> Again, language seen as a community and as spoken by individuals,
> seems a good, clear example.
>
I would have to think of this example in more detail. However, another 
example that comes to mind is that individuals are the cells in our 
bodies, each with their needs and inner processes, and the community is 
the whole body as well as each individual organ. Each organ or cell 
cannot exist without the body and the body cannot exist without cells 
and organs (and all the other structures, each in their own way a 
"community" playing a certain function. This is the physical (space) 
aspect of the body (community) —social structures and individuals—, 
while 1) "Continuity "brings into play the time factor in the 
space-time continuum.

What I wrote is but the skeleton of a longer piece where I will 
consider many examples as well as take into consideration the comments 
I receive.

As for language, latest research into DNA has shown that the genetic 
code is only about ten percent of the total "information" existing in 
DNA, and that the rest, usually referred to as the "mute DNA" or "trash 
DNA" is actually where a lot of the energetic information in the form 
is light is being kept, some sort of massive decoder of information 
that will not be perceived when cells are torn out of their environment 
(killed) and analyzed in a purely physical/chemical way. It's like 
shutting down your computer and tearing out all the parts, loosing the 
memory you were keeping in your RAM.

Also, if you read Humberto Maturana's LOVE AND PLAY..., he claim that 
it is language as we know it what allows us to have part of "human 
culture," separating us from the animal realm. So this is also why I 
was interested if you could share with us any further thoughts in 
relation to language and community.

All the best,

Leonardo