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There are 26 messages totalling 745 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Dora in David Copperfield (8)
2. Research in Hertfordshire
3. Grave Goings-on
4. "But white paper to be written on" (4)
5. Belated sent-in-exile
6. Disraeli Cartoon Thanks
7. etext - "London Shadows"
8. Inter-racial marriage
9. Conduct literature (3)
10. book suggestions (3)
11. Bronte materials
12. 'Victorian Visions' Conference Announcement
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:04:05 +0100
From: Jill Grey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
> (c) Dora is an unusual and appealing name.
Dickens's mistress, Dorothy Jordan, was known as Dora.
Jill
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:06:57 +0800
From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Tamara=20Wagner?= <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
--- Jill Grey <[log in to unmask]> wrote: <br> >
> (c) Dora is an unusual and appealing name.
>
> Dickens's mistress, Dorothy Jordan, was known as
> Dora.
What about Freud's Dora? Wouldn't she be even more famous?
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:16:37 +0100
From: Paul Lewis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
Dickens's mistress was Ellen Ternan. Dorothy Jordan, known as Dora, was
an 18c actress and the mistress of a Prince. Claire Tomalin wrote a
biography of both of them.
best wishes
Paul
Paul Lewis
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From: VICTORIA 19th-Century British Culture & Society
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Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
> (c) Dora is an unusual and appealing name.
Dickens's mistress, Dorothy Jordan, was known as Dora.
Jill
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 07:28:34 +0100
From: Jill Grey <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
Paul Lewis wrote -
> Dickens's mistress was Ellen Ternan. Dorothy Jordan,
> known as Dora, was an 18c actress and the mistress of
> a Prince. Claire Tomalin wrote a biography of both of them.
Oh my ears and whiskers! Many thanks for the correction. I must apologise
for such a frightful oversight. Having read both books and having spent the
best part of a year as Claire's research assistant on 'Mrs Jordan..' I
should have known better. An embarassing momentary confusion which should
teach me not to write messages before 7.am.
Jill
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:40:36 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Research in Hertfordshire
Hi!
A friend of mine is looking for someone to do freelance research in
Hertfordshire county and local archives over the summer. Having your own
transport would be an advantage. If any list members are interested please
email me privately for details. Thanks!
All the best
Chris
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that they have a kind of divine right to tell lies" (Agatha Christie,
*Passenger to Frankfurt*)
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:11:35 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
Hi!
Two considerably less wimpish Doras are "Sister Dora" of Walsall (in her
case the name was a diminutive of Dorothy) and McDonnell Bodkin's fictional
Dora Myrl, lady detective. The latter looks every bit as girlish and
fragile as Dickens' Dora, but packs a pistol and is quite a tough cookie!
All the best
Chris
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that they have a kind of divine right to tell lies" (Agatha Christie,
*Passenger to Frankfurt*)
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 11:12:20 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Grave Goings-on
Hi!
For anyone interested in Victorian cemeteries, I've put details of some
forthcoming UK events (tours, talks, open days etc) at
http://www.mausolea-monuments.org.uk/docs/news.html
I'll be updating the page frequently, and I'd welcome details of any more
events. Thanks!
All the best
Chris
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"One can't help coming to the conclusion that politicians have a feeling
that they have a kind of divine right to tell lies" (Agatha Christie,
*Passenger to Frankfurt*)
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:27:25 +0200
From: Timothy Mason <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
Your parents were probably really thinking of Dora Russell, who was a
much more interesting woman than any of Dickens's heroines. BTW, the
romance between David and Dora is based upon Dickens's own courtship of
Maria Beadnell, and Flora is the product of his later disappointment
when he met her again in later life. Given that the author's characters
show little understanding of the real people upon which they are based -
he repeatedly travestied both his parents - Ms Beadness seems to have
got off lightly.
Best wishes
--
Timothy Mason
Université de Paris 8
http://perso.club-internet.fr/tmason/index.htm
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 08:41:56 -0400
From: "Webster Garrett Erin L." <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: "But white paper to be written on"
Dear learned lists,
=20
My apologies for cross-posting, but I thought to get as many responses
as possible. In Mary Shelley's Lodore , the narrator comments upon
Fitzhenry's attitude toward the young object of his affections by
stating, "He found the lovely girl somewhat ignorant; but white paper to
be written upon at will, is a favourite metaphor among those men who
have described an ideal wife" (96). Can someone direct me to one or
several of the writers who may have used this variation on the "tabula
raza"?=20
=20
Many thanks in advance,
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Dr. Erin Webster-Garrett
Assistant Professor
Radford University
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http://www.radford.edu/~ewebster2 =20
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 06:50:03 -0500
From: Dora Smith <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
Who's Dora Russell?
They did specifically tell me, twice, that they named me for Dora in David
Copperfield, and hard to think what other Dora they'd have known of.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, Texas
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From: "Timothy Mason" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 2:27 AM
Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
> Your parents were probably really thinking of Dora Russell, who was a
> much more interesting woman than any of Dickens's heroines.
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 14:38:05 +0100
From: Chris Baggs <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Belated sent-in-exile
May I, on behalf of my work colleague, thank all of you,
including the 'belated' ones, for your replies to
my post about 'sent-in-exile' examples in 19th century
British fiction. He was most impressed.
Chris Baggs
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Department of Information Studies,
University of Wales, Aberystwyth
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Fax: 01970 622190 (department)
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 09:33:32 -0400
From: "Kaufman, Heidi" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Disraeli Cartoon Thanks
Dear List Members:
I just wanted to thank everyone for your help with the Disraeli
cartoons. The discussion helped me to think more thoroughly about the
hand gesture as well as a number of other aspects of Disraeli's body
language in the cartoons. =20
Heidi Kaufman
Assistant Professor =20
Department of English
University of Delaware
Newark, DE 19716
Ph: 302/831-3350
Fax: 302/831-1586
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:07:53 -0400
From: Pat and Govind Menon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "But white paper to be written on"
I don't know exactly where you would find the phrase you quote, but many
eighteenth and nineteenth century novels explore the advisability of
choosing a wife on a "white paper to be written on" basis. Rousseau's Emile
influenced Thomas Day, a friend of Maria Edgeworth's family, to
custom-educate a bride. (Actually he initially chose two orphans, although
in the end he married neither.) In <Belinda> (1801), Edgeworth explored and
debunked this method of selecting a bride. Rousseau may have been
particularly influential, but literary explorations of the Pygmalion story
(including a translation by Dryden), new editions of the letters of Abelard
and Heloise (and spinoffs such as Pope's poem and Rousseau's <Nouvelle
Heloise>), personal experience (Swift, for example) and the explosion of
conduct book literature all interact with novels throughout the eighteenth
and nineteenth centuries. The Pygmalion figure is one of the variations on
the broader and very popular theme of the mentor-lover.
The first chapter of my <Austen, Eliot, Charlotte Bronte and the
Mentor-Lover> (Patricia Menon, Palgrave Macmillan 2003) provides a rapid
overview
of the developments before Austen. If you need suggestions for other writers
of the period, I'd be happy to
help -- just contact me off list. Many novelists (male and female) from
Rousseau to the early twentieth century offer examples of the
mentor-lover, some of the Pygmalion variety. Richardson provides plenty to
think about as does Dickens, and male writers of a later period include
Henry James, D.H. Lawrence, and Hardy.
Pat Menon
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:36:00 -0400
From: James Eli Adams <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "But white paper to be written on"
See Susan Gubar, "'The Blank Page' and Issues of Female Creativity," In
Elaine Showalter (ed.) The New Feminist Criticism (1986). Though it's most
often associated with Locke, as an epistemological trope the tabula rasa is
at least as old as Francis Bacon's The New Organon (ca 1620).
Best,
James Eli Adams
Director of Graduate Studies
Department of English
Cornell University
Goldwin Smith 250
Ithaca, NY 14853-3201
607-255-4895/5-6800 fax: 607-255-6661
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 17:17:30 +0100
From: Lee Jackson <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: etext - "London Shadows"
A rare mini-etext added to www.victorianlondon.org
London Shadows : A glance at the "Homes" of the thousands, by George Godwin,
1854
http://www.victorianlondon.org/publications4/shadows.htm
Most interesting, perhaps, are the sketch drawings of slum areas and
interiors.
regards,
Lee
www.victorianlondon.org
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:42:52 +0100
From: Chris Willis <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Inter-racial marriage
Hi!
Has anyone mentioned Grant Allen's short stories "The Reverend John Creedy,"
"Carvalho" and "The Beckoning Hand"?
Thomas Burke's *Limehouse Nights* also has quite a few inter-racial
marriages/relationships.
All the best
Chris
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"One can't help coming to the conclusion that politicians have a feeling
that they have a kind of divine right to tell lies" (Agatha Christie,
*Passenger to Frankfurt*)
Guantanamo Human Rights Commission - http://www.guantanamohrc.org
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 13:44:50 -0400
From: Joanna Devereux <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Conduct literature
Does anyone know of any useful recent critical works dealing with =
conduct literature? I think it would be interesting to compare the =
nineteenth-century version with today's massive self-help industry.
Jo Devereux
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:12:59 -0400
From: "Schatz, SueAnn" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: book suggestions
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 10:54:45 -0500
From: Mary Lenard <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Dora in David Copperfield
A senior colleague of mine in 20th century American literature once asked
me if the phrase "dumb Dora," a slang term for stupidity or ignorance,
could be a reference to Dora in _David
Copperfield_. I told him it was certainly credible, but I didn't know.
Does anyone know the derivation of this phrase?
Dr. Mary Lenard
English Department
University of Wisconsin-Parkside
900 Wood Road
Kenosha, WI 53141-2000
(262) 595-2644
"People mutht be amuthed." Charles Dickens, _Hard Times_
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 19:36:02 +0100
From: Lesley Hall <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Conduct literature
> Does anyone know of any useful recent critical works dealing with
conduct literature?
I too would be interested in any suggestions along these lines.
Lesley Hall
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website http://www.lesleyahall.net
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:19:59 -0400
From: Maria <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Bronte materials
I agree with Priti Joshi that Barker's book on the Brontes trumps all
the rest.
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I agree that it's a stupendous piece of work, and it does especially
well by Mr. Bronte, who's needed a defender for a very long time. Mrs.
Gaskell's treatment of him in the bio is one of the few unforgivables I
can think to ascribe to her. On the other hand, having read through
some of her letters in the Chapple edition, I can see that Charlotte had
already filled her with such odd distortions of her history that Mrs.
Gaskell was pre-conditioned to see things askew about both Haworth and
Mr. Bronte.
I do stand by my opinion that the Barker book short-changes Emily and
Anne, and that people like Harrison, Chitham and others have shown that
it is possible to discuss both at more length than Barker decided to.
So while Barker may definitely trump all in regard to pure degree and
detail of research, as well as what she does for Mr. Bronte, there is
still even more to be gained by reading others (you'll also get an
interesting view of Charlotte by comparing Barker's take on her with
others').
I personally am not a fan of the Gerin books. They muddle the lives and
works far too much. They are also a bit tedious. Barker is more direct
and includes many insights drawn from careful research into materials
found at the Bronte Parsonage in Haworth.
Barbara Gates
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But Gerin is as important in her way as Mrs. Gaskell is in hers, if only
because of the detailed attention she gave to each sibling, specifically
the much-neglected Anne (who is my particular focus). If you take
Lucasta Miller into the curriculum, it pays to include Gerin in order to
help trace the development of the views on each sibling.
Maria
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 15:06:32 -0400
From: Kathy Harris <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: book suggestions
I'd add George Eliot and Florence Nightengale to the essayists. Eliot
wrote a few essays regarding women and writing (against the flowery,
sentimental writing), Nightengale wrote about a woman's responsibilities.
(I don't have the titles of either title offhand, though -- sorry.)
Katherine Harris
Ph.D. Candidate in English
The Graduate Center CUNY
Archivist & Webmaster for:
"Forget Me Not: A Hypertextual Archive of Ackermann's Literary Annual"
http://web.gc.cuny.edu/womenstudies/FMN%20Hypertext
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 16:29:24 -0400
From: Rachel Bright <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: book suggestions
If your library has a copy, consider _Prose by Victorian Women_ (eds. =
Andrea
Broomfield and Sally Mitchell, Garland Publishing, New York/London, =
1996).
All of the essayists you mention (Martineau, Helen? Taylor, Mona Caird,
Eliza Lynn Linton, Oliphant, Cobbe)--save Jameson--are represented; =
Isabella
Bird Bishop (travel writer), Anne Ritchie, Sarah Grand, and Vernon Lee =
are
also included, among others. You can view the full Table of Contents by
locating the book on Amazon and selecting the "Search Inside this Book" =
link
that appears under the image of the book cover (paperback edition).
Rachel M. Bright
Ph.D. Student
English Department
Temple University
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 18:34:57 -0400
From: Pat and Govind Menon <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Conduct literature
If you are looking for primary sources, some of the best-known conduct books
written around the time of the French Revolution and early nineteenth
century are those by Dr. John Gregory, James Fordyce, and Hannah More
(<Coelebs ...>). They remained in print for a long time. More's book was
presented as a fictional account of a search for a wife, which brings up
the issue of the relationship of fiction and instruction. Although many
conduct books condemned the novel ("Mountains of dirt and Trash"), there was
considerable overlap between the two genres (think of Richardson's <Pamela>,
for example) and some novelists sought respectability by incorporating
conduct book principles into their works. Most of those claiming to instruct
did not think of themselves as radicals, though they might be
unintentionally subversive. On the other hand, one might think of Mary
Wollstonecraft's <Vindication> as a conduct book (or anti conduct book?).
I'd argue the last gasp of the ninteenth century conduct book can be found
in the advice columns of the women's magazines of the 1950s (don't let your
man know you are smarter than he is, don't let him know you love him but let
him speak first and even then keep him guessing, don't surrender your virtue
till you are married, don't read inflammatory novels).
If you are looking for secondary sources, the 1980s and 90s were a period
when the conduct book was much discussed and there are likely to be
references in many works. The following include either substantial or useful
sections:
Armstrong, Nancy, <Desire and Domestic Fiction: A Political History of the
Novel> (New York: Oxford University Press, 1987).
Armstrong, Nancy and Leonard Tennenhouse, eds, <The Ideology of Conduct:
Essays on Literature and the History of Sexuality> (London: Methuen, 1987).
Fraiman, Susan, <Unbecoming Women: British Women Writers and the Novel of
Development> (New York: Columbia University Press, 1993). Fraiman is very
sharp on the ways in which conduct literature, though apparently encouraging
conformity, was actually subversive.
Newton, Judith Lowder, <Women, Power, and Subversion: Social Strategies in
British Fiction>, 1778-1860 (Athens: University of Georgia Press, 1981).
Poovey, Mary, <The Proper Lady and the Woman Writer: Ideology as Style in
the Works of Mary Wollstonecraft, Mary Shelley, and Jane Austen> (Chicago:
University of Chicago Press, 1984).
St Clair, William, <The Godwins and the Shelleys: A Biography of a Family>
(Baltimore: The Johns Hopkins University Press, 1989). Though only an
appendix, St Clair's examination of the fashion for conduct literature is
very informative.
Hope this helps,
Pat Menon
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Date: Fri, 25 Jun 2004 00:42:40 +0100
From: "R.J. Jenkins" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: 'Victorian Visions' Conference Announcement
CONFERENCE ANNOUNCEMENT & CALL FOR PAPERS
'Victorian Visions'
One-Day Graduate Conference
Clare College, Cambridge
1 October 2004
This will be a graduate conference with emphasis on interdisciplinary work
on visual cultures during the long nineteenth century. Following an opening
talk by Professor Rebecca Stott, the day will be formed of thematised
sessions. Professor David Trotter will give a final talk, followed by
discussion. We warmly invite graduate papers of 20 minutes in length and
abstracts (of 200-300 words) may be submitted.
All of the relevant information can be found at the conference website:
http://people.pwf.cam.ac.uk/jew36/Victorian/Visions.html
---
R.J. Jenkins
Clare College, Cambridge
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Date: Thu, 24 Jun 2004 22:05:08 -0400
From: "Robinson, Charles" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: "But white paper to be written on"
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