David
What kind of integrated projects would you imagine would be worth funding?
Peter
> Dear Peter
>
> Where to begin...? In an ancient South Bank Show David Hockney said:
> 'The way we depict space determines what we do with it'. That
> 'depiction' is a language, as much as any created by culture - it
> includes our experiences and excludes them, according to the dominant
> power of our society. God forbid that artists should have to
> illustrate another science-made problem. One day the AHRB and ESPRC,
> et al will invite artists to join them in integrated, not
> interpretative projects, maybe, even get a scientist to consider
> facilitating an artist's problem... the way we depict people determines
> what we do with them? Our cultural values are embodied in the
> metaphors and myths of the the belief systems our languages create and
> protect. The way we model our world determines what we do with it.
> The problem with clocks and computers is that they do not THINK, so why
> let them determine what we do with our world (note to the
> Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change)?
>
> Regarding how we 'see' things, try Lakoff & Johnson, Philosophy in the
> Flesh.
>
> Happy depicting
>
> David
>
> On 15 Nov 2004, at 18:19, Peter Hall wrote:
>
> > Hello all,
> >
> > I've been emailed by the Arts Council and AHRB to tell me of grants to
> > support collaboration between artists and scientists. In the past I
> > have
> > reviewed proposals for this initiative, and sat on the panel for a
> > corresponding initiative from Engineering and Physical Science Research
> > Council (EPSRC) - their "culture and creativity" call.
> >
> > The EPSRC panel was notable in that only ONE propoal related to the
> > visual
> > arts - the remainging 40 or so came from other place - mostly music or
> > sound related. The panel was keen that a greater balance is reached in
> > future.
> >
> > I am a scientist / engineer /mathematician with an interest in getting
> > computer to draw for themselves. It would be an absurd ambition to try
> > to
> > replace humans with machines - and that is not my intention. But just
> > as
> > knowning a little more about how humans see somethimes (but not always)
> > helps us understand how to do make machines see a little better, so
> > undertstanding how artists work can inform my work. In fact,
> > understanding
> > drawings may help us understand a little more about how we see as
> > humans -
> > but that is not my aim either.
> >
> > My web pages at www.bath.ac.uk/~maspmh gives an idea - but these are
> > PAST
> > projects, not current ones!
> >
> > All this is awfuly vauge, but I do have specific research projects that
> > would benefit from artistic input for sure. One of these involves using
> > drawings to get machines to learn what humans think of is important:
> > our
> > early work in this is very promising indeed, and work like this is a
> > very
> > hot topic right now with similar work going on all over the world.
> > Other
> > work is based on the book "Art and Representation" by John Willats.
> >
> > I see the AHRB-et-al call as an opportunity to collaborate. If anyone
> > is
> > interested - maybe I can help you with your projects rather than you
> > help
> > me - then contact me on my email
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > best
> > Peter Hall
> > Department of Computer Science
> > University of Bath
> > Bath
>
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