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Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2004 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Fortran/C Speed
> On Jul 15, 2004, at 1:10 AM, James Giles wrote:
>
> > > The claim that inheritance-based code improves productivity
> > > is so common that I usually don't respond to it. There's never
> > > been any objective evidence to support the claim that objective
> > > coding is more productive. That's not been from lack of looking.
> > > There are people (say, in the ACM) who would jump through
> > > hoops to find verifiable evidence that inheritance is productive,
> > > but no such luck. I think the increased abstraction usually
> > > serves more to confuse than to help.
>
> and Drew McCormack <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Well, obviously the Fortran 2003 committee disagree, because it's in
> > there.
>
> I can't comment on J3/WG5 deliberations before February 1997 concerning
> the reasons to put object-oriented features into Fortran, but since that
> time there was essentially no argument that it had to be done to improve
> productivity.
>
> There was some undercurrent of "C++ has it so we have to have it too."
> More importantly, it was recognized that each of the facilities
identified
> as "support for object-oriented programming" could be useful in the kind
> or problems typically attacked by Fortran programs.
>
> If anybody ever does study the effect on productivity of the object-
> oriented programming facilities in Fortran 2003 in a systematic way,
> we will have some idea whether the effort to add it was worthwhile.
> Until then, everybody is just guessing.
Notwithstanding your unapproved NASA opinions and its gross excesses, who
cares?, you've already stoked fortran with more dead wood than it can
handle that it's about time fortran and its psuedointellectuals (J3/WG5, no
less!), were blowed up real good by volunteering as the next sacrificial
NASA crew, (it's about time, if not typically NASA, overdue and beyond
budget?).
--
You're Welcome,
Gerry T.
______
"...it's the duty of every real American to be on the lookout for
goldbricks, pinko's and fellow travelers. 'Course without the likes of
Americans like you the jobs of Americans like me would be a lot more
difficult. But don't get me wrong, Americans like me like difficult jobs.
So don't get the idea you're doing the CIA any favors. We don't really need
Americans like you, we don' need anybody." -- Col Sam Flagg, ICORPS dropin
to the 4077th M*A*S*H
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