thanks Dave I put this up on my wall with yours and my names added of course
cheers patrick
I find it great that these threads are so full of info
and some threads virtually become books cheers again
----- Original Message -----
From: "david.bircumshaw" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 3:43 PM
Subject: Re: Don Paterson -help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
> This is fascinating, Patrick. If one reads backwards an extermination of
amateur poets would include the obliteration of Herbert
> (both brothers) John Donne, Vaughan, Traherne, Rosenberg, Owen, Stevie
Smith, Larkin (of all people - after it wasn't his day job)
> William Carlos Williams, Sylvia Townshend Warner, Mr W. Blake (he only
ever got paid for the paintings), P.B.Shelley ( his dad's
> allowance paid for his books), Keats too ( a legacy of kinds for him) not
to mention Marianne Moore, Elizabeth Bishop, Cesar
> Vallejo, Khodasevitch, Khlebnikov, Leopardi, Dante, Milton, Rimbaud,
Baudelaire,Verlaine, Anon the Supreme, Emily Dickinson,
> Hopkins, Mallarme, Montale, fucking hell, who's left? John Dryden and Pope
and B.Jonson as exemplars of what should be?
>
> Even Mr W.S. would be under the cudgel, as, after all, his day job was as
a playwright.
>
> This conception of professionalism in poetry is hilarious, it's rampant in
Britain and the slight voice of sense says to one - wait
> a minute - their books don't sell enough to justify their claims to be
professional - they depend instead on sinecure, reputation,
> judging competitions etc etc. The books instead end up in remaindered
status because hardly anyone bothers to read them because they
> are, as Tim implied, BORING.
>
> I dunno.
>
> Best
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> David Bircumshaw
>
> Spectare's Web, A Chide's Alphabet
> & Painting Without Numbers
>
> http://homepage.ntlworld.com/david.bircumshaw/
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Patrick McManus" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 02, 2004 2:09 PM
> Subject: Don Paterson -help !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
>
>
> Help!-My Saturday 'Guardian 'oct 30th
> had an article about Don Paterson 'he calls for the total eradication of
> amateur poets'
> I was wondering what a professional poet was -any ideas??
> cheers Patrick endangered species????
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