Berry

  Thanks

  Paul

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: "Dicker, Berry J" <[log in to unmask]>
  To: <[log in to unmask]>
  Sent: Monday, April 19, 2004 8:40 AM
  Subject: Re: Monitoring


  Hi Paul,
  Yes sorry we shouldn't speak in code, LGBT=Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and
Transsexual in your preferred order. Different groups order them
differently.  Transsexuals are covered   by 1999 Sex Discrimination (Gender
Reassignment)Regulations different to the 2003 legislation. (Cross dressing
is quite different and often bears no relation to sexual orientation).
  I take Susannah's point about monitoring and I think the judgement about
whether or not to monitor sexual orientation  is  a difficult one and must
depend to some extent on the individual  institution's environment. I
generally take the advice of those who will be asked to make the information
available, unless there are overriding arguments not to.
  Berry

  -----Original Message-----
  From: Paul Marshall [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
  Sent: 16 April 2004 13:53
  To: [log in to unmask]
  Subject: Re: Monitoring


    LBGT, BGLT and LBGT ????

    Can you please enlighten me?

    Paul



    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Susanna Hancock" <[log in to unmask]>
    To: <[log in to unmask]>
    Sent: Friday, April 16, 2004 12:38 PM
    Subject: Re: Monitoring


    > In response to Berry I tend to feel that if we wait till the climate
is
    > right, as the guest speakers at the conference seemed to be
    > suggesting, then we may never get round to monitoring for  LGBT.
    > After all, was the climate right when we began monitoring on race
    > issues? (Local authorities have been monitoring race for at least 15
    > years now). Many disabled people feel afraid to fill in monitoring
    > forms, especially if their disability is not apparent because they too
    > fear discrimination, particularly in employment. I agree that we
    > should continue to work on an environment where people are not
    > afraid to say who they are and to encourage people to fill in
    > monitoring forms by explaining what the information will be used
    > for.
    >
    > By the way I've noticed we seem to be changing from saying
    > "LGBT" and instead I've seen BGLT and LBGT. I was just
    > wondering why, and shouldn't we stick to one thing?
    >
    > Susanna
    >
    > Date sent:              Thu, 08 Apr 2004 10:52:51 +0100
    > From:                   "Dicker, Berry J" <[log in to unmask]>
    > Subject:                Re: Monitoring
    > To:                     [log in to unmask]
    > Send reply to:          HE Administrators equal opportunities list
  <[log in to unmask]>
    >
    > Just a quick note to indicate that there is another perspective  the
  monitoring debate. At our conference on March 30th we had Bob Deacon
(Unison
  and active in the  BLGT movement) and Alison Culpan (NUS BLG group) both
  were against monitoring of sexual orientation for three reasons:
    > 1) The legislation offers protection only in relation to employment,
  there is no legal protection in other areas (eg provision of goods and
  services ) where someone who is out
    > maybe discriminated against.
    > 2) It is not advisable to put people into a position where for reasons
  of integrity they may feel they need to declare that their sexual
  orientation although the informal climate/environment in the institution
may
  be inimical to this.
    > 3) If the university climate is not inimical, other external bodies
with
  whom the person works may be, and if they are have outed themselves by
  declaring their sexual orientation in response to monitoring they may face
  prejudice and discrimination there.
    >
    > The advice was to work on creating an environment of acceptance and
  understanding which is one reason I'm looking into drawing up a code of
  conduct.
    >  Whether you agree with it  or not I think this point of view is worth
  considering.
    > Berry
    >
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Fehmeeda Riaz [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
    > Sent: 08 April 2004 10:17
    > To: [log in to unmask]
    > Subject: Re: Monitoring
    >
    >
    > Dear Ferhat,
    >
    > Thank you so much for your helpful reply.
    >
    > Best wishes
    >
    > On 8 Apr 2004 at 9:48, Nazir-Bhatti, Ferhat wrote:
    >
    > Date sent:              Thu, 8 Apr 2004 09:48:26 +0100
    > Send reply to:          HE Administrators equal opportunities list
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    > AC.UK>
    > From:                   "Nazir-Bhatti, Ferhat"
  <[log in to unmask]>
    > Subject:                Re: Monitoring
    > To:                     [log in to unmask]
    >
    > > Dear Fehmeeda
    > >
    > > We have decided not to monitor sexual orientation or religion/belief
  for the time being
    > any external documents such as recruitment and selection,
    > However we do monitor sexual orientation for harassment and bullying
  cases.
    > If you would like further information please do not hesitate to
contact
  me.
    > >
    > > Regards
    > >
    > > Ferhat Nazir-Bhattil
    > > Diversity Manager
    > > Cranfield University
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    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: Fehmeeda Riaz [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
    > > Sent: 07 April 2004 09:13
    > > To: [log in to unmask]
    > > Subject: Monitoring
    > >
    > >
    > > Dear All,
    > >
    > > I was wondering whether any of you had started monitoring on the
  grounds of sexual
    > > orientation or religion or belief?  I understand that there is no
  legal requirement to include
    > > sexual orientation or religion in equal opportunities monitoring
  processes and it is unlikely
    > > that the inclusion of sexual orientation or religion on an equal
  opportunities monitoring form
    > > will give an accurate picture as many people will see such questions
  as a suspicious
    > > invasion of privacy. Staff are under no obligation to provide such
  information and I knows its
    > > a highly sensitive area.
    > >
    > > Any advice would be very welcome!!
    > >
    > > Best wishes
    > > Fehmeeda Riaz
    > > Employee Relations Adviser (Diversity)
    > > University of Westminster
    > > HR Department
    > > 9-18 Euston Centre
    > > Tel: 0207-911-5776
    >
    > Fehmeeda Riaz
    > Employee Relations Adviser (Diversity)
    > University of Westminster
    > HR Department
    > 9-18 Euston Centre
    > Tel: 0207-911-5776
    >
    >
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