Hi Karen
the questions are a little more complicated than your points, which are
basically from a personal point of view, but I have been asking similar
questions and would like some other perspectives.
To my personal belief the rules requiring for example theatres and sports
stadia, or even to multi-story buildings have been made without due thought
to emergency evacuation of disabled people and little published research is
available to base any corporate planning or advice.
re-when trained people are off sick, the organisation needs to have an
excess of trained people if they wish to comply. This is likely to be beyond
the capabilities of a small organisation. The organisation may take the
route suggested by the DDA and assign the disabled worker to a ground floor.
However, even following this route the disabled person is unlikely to be
able to attend all meetings or visit certain other people or departments
which are essential to their work.
making provision for disabled visitors complicates this problem how will the
numbers be handled?
re-physically lifting, the courts have recently stated that carers and
similar workers must lift disabled people manually, ignoring health and
safety regulations. However, how this ruling would apply to colleagues
lifting a disabled person in an emergency has yet to be clarified.
While some people may be safely lifted from their usual chair to an evec
chair, others need special handling and possibly special equipment to avoid
injury, What happens here?
or, what happens if the assistants need to transfer a 28 stone man from a
wheelchair to and evac chair?
I have seen no proposals for handling these situations, especially in places
of public entertainment and more so where amateur/voluntary short term
events have been arranged. These are generally local authority owned so
where do the authorities stand if they cannot arrange to safely evacuate one
employee from a building with which they are familiar?
for example an Amateur Society stages a musical in a municipal theatre
Who does the planning? the society who are unlikely to have sufficient
knowledge or the local authority who should have the expertise and
familiarity with the building
Who provides the trained evacuation assistants? the society or the local
authority
Who is responsible for providing any special equipment?
What controls are applied to attendees? (number of wheelchair users,
mobility and visually impaired, older people who may have limited ability to
move on stairs)
An evacuation chair has limited usefulness during an evacuation, it takes
ten minutes per floor to remove a person,
According to Fire Regs once a person has left a building they should not
re-enter, so how can the chair be re-used? and even if it could be returned
other slow moving evacuees are likely to be restricting use of the stairs.
If an evac chair is to be re-used what happens to the person already in the
chair, are they dumped on the walkway?
Lastly, fire doors are generally rated at thirty minutes protection and
everyone is supposed to be evacuated before this time limit, so is taking
the chair back into the building feasible?
If anyone has any thoughts or info please contact me
Dave Croft
[log in to unmask]
Croft Consultants (Health & Safety and Access)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Karen Beattie" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 1:01 PM
Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees
> As an access officer, who is also a wheelchair user (presently working
from
> home) due to the dispute on what should the risk assessment and procedure
> be for disabled people working above or below ground floor level, taking
> into account a normal lift cannot be used.
>
> I don't have the answer but these are the questions being asked at my
> authority -
>
> Evacu chairs - People need to be trained in how to use these chairs to
> evacuate disabled people from the building, a couple of concerns
> what happens if the trained people are out of the office, off sick or
on
> holiday when the chairs are needed?
> -what happens if the disabled person has to be physically lifted onto
> the evacu chairs, two concerns manual moving and handling
> recommendations - no physical lifting without auxiliary aids and/or
> equipment
> human rights - dignity of the disabled person being man-handled
> what is the procedure if more than one person requires use of an evacu
> chair?
>
> I don't have the answers but am very interested in what other authorities
> do in their buildings in the absence of evacuation lifts.
>
> Karen Beattie
> Swyddog Mynediad/Access Officer
> Ffon/Tel 01824 708052
> E-bost: [log in to unmask]
> E-mail: [log in to unmask]
>
>
>
>
>
> "Thomas, David"
> <DThomas@AYLESBURYVAL To:
[log in to unmask]
> EDC.GOV.UK> cc:
> Sent by: Accessibuilt Subject: Re:
Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees
> list
> <ACCESSIBUILT@JISCMAI
> L.AC.UK>
>
>
> 27/04/04 03:08 PM
> Please respond to
> Accessibuilt list
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Upgrading of lifts
>
> I would welcome any thoughts on the provision of lifts that can be used
> as evacuation lifts for those unable to walk up and down stairs. Neither
> the guidance on the fire regulations nor BS5588 Part 8 actually refers
> to travelling distances for disabled people to a position of "safety" or
> to a lift.
>
> My understanding, on which I'd welcome a view, is that cited
> distances/times refer to escape via normal escape routes such as
> stairways, and the provision of an evacuation lift is a bonus if
> provided. If an "Evac- chair" is used it may well take longer to
> evacuate from an adjacent stairwell than to travel to another stairwell
> further away on the same floor and use a lift. I appreciate that the key
> is fire prevention in the first instance (as part of the whole
> assessment), and us making reasonable provisions.
>
> I'd appreciate any guidance or information on the provision of how many
> lifts should be upgraded as Evacuation Lifts in a works premises?
>
> David Thomas
> Corporate Health and Safety Advisor,
> 66, High Street,
> Aylesbury,
> Buckinghamshire.
> HP20 1SD
> Tel. 01296 585158
> Fax 01296 585674
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M.Ormerod [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 27 April 2004 14:31
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: FW: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask]
> (UQ0000171962)
>
>
> Hi all
>
> I know Malcolm and Vin are experiencing the problem of rejected posting.
> If there are other people who are also experiencing this problem can you
> please e-mail off list [log in to unmask] for me to work with
> jiscmail on solving it.
>
> Regards
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: CLRC_Support [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 27 April 2004 14:19
> To: 'M.Ormerod <[log in to unmask]>'
> Subject: FW: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask]
> (UQ0000171962)
>
>
> This is a partial response to your enquiry(UQ0000171962) . Further
> information will be sent to you shortly. Thank you
>
> Submitter Email : M.Ormerod <[log in to unmask]>
> Problem Classification : JISCmail General
> Response to user : Marcus
>
> This kind of thing is normally caused by a certain type of mail
> system that a small number of organisations use. There will be a
> susbcriber on your list from such an organisation. Basically, when an
> email is distributed to the list, and is sent to that subscriber, their
> mail system sees that the
> To: address is [log in to unmask] and forwards it back to the
> list, whereupon Listserv sees that it has already been distributed and
> sends that error message back to the original poster. Mail systems
> should not look at the To: address, as the correct delivery address is
> contained in the mail envelope that exists at transmission time.
>
> There is a workaround for this, ie: a setting that can be applied to
> an individual subscriber that tells Listserv to create a separate mail
> job for them and place their address in the To: field instead of the
> list address. However, I need to know who that subscriber is and the
> only way to find out is to look in the mail headers of one of those
> error messages sent to the original poster.
>
> I have joined the list and sent a posting, so hopefully I will find
> the 'rogue' email
>
> Pam, JISCmail Helpline Manager
> Problem Description : Hi there
>
> Can you please help me I run the accessibuilt list and every time I
> send
> a message it goes through to the list ok and then I get the following
> attached message from jiscmail telling me it has been rejected. Other
> people on the list also complain about this happening. Is there a
> reason
> why a message that has been successfully sent then gets a rejection
> notice?
>
> Regards
> Marcus
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: L-Soft list server at JISCMAIL (1.8e)
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 27 April 2004 13:52
> To: Marcus Ormerod
> Subject: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask]
>
>
> Your message is being returned to you unprocessed because it
> appears
> to have already been distributed to the ACCESSIBUILT list. That
> is,
> a message with identical text (but possibly with different mail
> headers) has been posted to the list recently, either by you or by
> someone else. If you have a good reason to resend this message to the
> list (for instance because you have been notified of a hardware
> failure
> with loss of data), please alter the text of the message in some way
> and resend it to the list. Note that altering the "Subject:" line
> or
> adding blank lines at the top or bottom of the message is not
> sufficient; you should instead add a sentence or two at the top
> explaining why you are resending the message, so that the other
> subscribers understand why they are getting two copies of the same
> message.
> Service type : FW: Rejected posting to
> [log in to unmask]
>
> ted posting to [log in to unmask]
>
> ----------End of Message----------
>
> Run by SURFACE for more information on research, consultancy and the
> distance taught MSc. in Accessibility and Inclusive Design programme
> visit:
>
> http://www.inclusive-design.it
>
> Archives for the Accessibuilt discussion list are located at
> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/accessibuilt.html
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.
> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
> ______________________________________________________________________
>
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
intended
> solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
> If you have received this e-mail in error please notify the system manager
> at [log in to unmask]
> _____________________________________________________________________
> This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email
> Security System. For more information on a proactive email security
> service working around the clock, around the globe, visit
> http://www.messagelabs.com
> ________________________________________________________________________
>
> ----------End of Message----------
>
> Run by SURFACE for more information on research, consultancy and the
> distance taught MSc. in Accessibility and Inclusive Design programme
visit:
>
> http://www.inclusive-design.it
>
> Archives for the Accessibuilt discussion list are located at
> http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/accessibuilt.html
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Mae'r e-bost hwn ac unrhyw ffeiliau a drosglwyddir gydag ef yn gyfrinachol
ac wedi'u bwriadu ar gyfer pwy bynnag y cyfeirir ef ato neu atynt. Os ydych
wedi ei dderbyn drwy gamgymeriad yna gadewch i'r rheolwr systemau wybod drwy
ddefnyddio'r manylion isod.
>
> Mae cynnwys yr e-bost hwn yn cynrychioli barn y sawl a enwir uchod, felly
nid ydyw'n dilyn ei fod yn cynrychioli barn Cyngor Sir Ddinbych.
>
> This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended
solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed.
If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager
using the details below.
>
> The contents of this email represent the views of the individual(s) named
above and do not necessarily represent the views of Denbighshire County
Council.
>
> Cyngor Sir Ddinbych, Ffordd Wynnstay, Rhuthun. LL15 1YN.
> Denbighshire County Council, Wynnstay Road, Ruthin. LL15 1YN.
> Teleffon\Telephone: (+44) 01824 706000
> http://www.sirddinbych.gov.uk
> http://www.denbighshire.gov.uk
>
> ----------End of Message----------
>
> Run by SURFACE for more information on research, consultancy and the
distance taught MSc. in Accessibility and Inclusive Design programme visit:
>
> http://www.inclusive-design.it
>
> Archives for the Accessibuilt discussion list are located at
http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/accessibuilt.html
----------End of Message----------
Run by SURFACE for more information on research, consultancy and the distance taught MSc. in Accessibility and Inclusive Design programme visit:
http://www.inclusive-design.it
Archives for the Accessibuilt discussion list are located at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/accessibuilt.html
|
