Hi Glynn
Thanks for your comments.
We are looking to move to a strategy of complete evacuation through
having one of our ordinary lifts upgraded to recommendations in BS5810
and BS5655 Part 1/2, as part of a general upgrading. We currently do
have a mechanical Evac Chair but have found there are other issues as
highlighted in your penultimate paragraph.
David
David Thomas
Corporate Health and Safety Advisor,
66, High Street,
Aylesbury,
Buckinghamshire.
HP20 1SD
Tel. 01296 585158
Fax 01296 585674
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From: Glynn Williams [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 27 April 2004 19:30
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees
Hi David,
Evac Lifts
I do not know if this is of any help or not, but my organisation is
currently looking at funding and training people for the implementation
of evac-lifts and chairs.
The fire-safety strategy for a building needs to take into account the
fire-risk-assessment for the particular premises, provision of refuges,
communications to and from refuges, means of raising the fire-alarm to
and by disabled people, Peeps plans for disabled individuals known to be
regularly on premises, means of knowing where disabled visitors are, on
the premises, how they will be dealt with safely in a potential fire
scenario etc. Not to mention how that all fits in to the existing (or
revised) fire-safety arrangements.
Good signage and advanced fire-warning is also essential for disabled
people just as it is for all people, and some high-risk individuals may
not just be those with a mobility impairment, as other, impairments may
well be amplified in a stressful situation in a fire-scenario. So robust
safety plans are essential for all, but I guess you know this.
It may not be that the quantity and disposition of evac-type lifts can
be looked at in isolation, rather that the whole picture needs to be
examined. At the end of the day evac lifts are only mechanical and as we
know that complex, mechanical devices are prone to failure, it may also
be necessary (I would say essential) that evac-chairs and trained
operatives still be provided.
We are looking at having at least on lift being evac, in a building that
may have 2 or 3 lifts. But if the building was likely to attract several
disabled visitors at once the safety plan would have to be much more
robust. It may come down very much to risk-assessment.
Regards,
Glynn
G.D.Williams
-----Original Message-----
From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
Of Thomas, David
Sent: 27 April 2004 15:08
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees
Upgrading of lifts
I would welcome any thoughts on the provision of lifts that can be used
as evacuation lifts for those unable to walk up and down stairs. Neither
the guidance on the fire regulations nor BS5588 Part 8 actually refers
to travelling distances for disabled people to a position of "safety" or
to a lift.
My understanding, on which I'd welcome a view, is that cited
distances/times refer to escape via normal escape routes such as
stairways, and the provision of an evacuation lift is a bonus if
provided. If an "Evac- chair" is used it may well take longer to
evacuate from an adjacent stairwell than to travel to another stairwell
further away on the same floor and use a lift. I appreciate that the key
is fire prevention in the first instance (as part of the whole
assessment), and us making reasonable provisions.
I'd appreciate any guidance or information on the provision of how many
lifts should be upgraded as Evacuation Lifts in a works premises?
David Thomas
Corporate Health and Safety Advisor,
66, High Street,
Aylesbury,
Buckinghamshire.
HP20 1SD
Tel. 01296 585158
Fax 01296 585674
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From: M.Ormerod [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 27 April 2004 14:31
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: FW: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask]
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Hi all
I know Malcolm and Vin are experiencing the problem of rejected posting.
If there are other people who are also experiencing this problem can you
please e-mail off list [log in to unmask] for me to work with
jiscmail on solving it.
Regards
Marcus
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To: 'M.Ormerod <[log in to unmask]>'
Subject: FW: Rejected posting to [log in to unmask]
(UQ0000171962)
This is a partial response to your enquiry(UQ0000171962) . Further
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Submitter Email : M.Ormerod <[log in to unmask]>
Problem Classification : JISCmail General
Response to user : Marcus
This kind of thing is normally caused by a certain type of mail
system that a small number of organisations use. There will be a
susbcriber on your list from such an organisation. Basically, when an
email is distributed to the list, and is sent to that subscriber, their
mail system sees that the
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list, whereupon Listserv sees that it has already been distributed and
sends that error message back to the original poster. Mail systems
should not look at the To: address, as the correct delivery address is
contained in the mail envelope that exists at transmission time.
There is a workaround for this, ie: a setting that can be applied to
an individual subscriber that tells Listserv to create a separate mail
job for them and place their address in the To: field instead of the
list address. However, I need to know who that subscriber is and the
only way to find out is to look in the mail headers of one of those
error messages sent to the original poster.
I have joined the list and sent a posting, so hopefully I will find
the 'rogue' email
Pam, JISCmail Helpline Manager
Problem Description : Hi there
Can you please help me I run the accessibuilt list and every time I
send
a message it goes through to the list ok and then I get the following
attached message from jiscmail telling me it has been rejected. Other
people on the list also complain about this happening. Is there a
reason
why a message that has been successfully sent then gets a rejection
notice?
Regards
Marcus
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