I am surprised and disappointed that in a world that people can design
rockets to go to the moon, that someone can't design a bus than can be used
by everyone in Rural or Urban areas on earth.
Regards
Mary Gwynne
Policy Development Officer(Access)
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> From: Vin[SMTP:[log in to unmask]]
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> Sent: Saturday, April 03, 2004 11:49
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: buses angles and slopes
>
> I am afraid I find this a most appalling cop-out!
>
> We are not talking about trying to make old vehicles accessible but the
> design of new vehicles and I think wheelchair users have waited quite long
> enough for the bus! Equal access to something as basic as public transport
> is a human right and should not be at the whim of vehicle manufacturers.
>
> These vehicles once in service will not be replaced for many years and
> even
> though those in cities will have shorter lives they will then be used for
> another few years in rural areas; extending the time that disabled people
> have to wait!
>
> I find these figures completely unacceptable.
>
> Vin West
> Secretary, Arfon Access Group
> Glyn Dwr
> Llandwrog Uchaf
> Caernarfon
> Gwynedd
> LL54 7RA
> Tel: 01286880761
> Mob:
> Fax: 0017756652884
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Peter Monk" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 2:30 PM
> Subject: Re: buses angles and slopes
>
>
> Mary the specs were very closely considered by organisations such as
> DIPTAC,
> Access Association and JMU. Accessible kneeling buses are designed to
> work
> with ordinary kerbs and the lowest possible height a bus can "kneel" down
> to. The arithmetic does not allow normal gradient guidelines to be
> achieved
> except where boarder kerbs can be put in.
>
> Peter Monk
> Access Officer
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gwynne, Mary [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: 01 April 2004 11:35
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: FW: buses angles and slopes
>
>
> I have been looking at the bus regulations and could not believe that the
> angles they are referring to for ramps are so steep.
> (c) with the vehicle on a flat surface, in the normal condition
> for
> a wheelchair user to board or alight, and with the boarding ramp extended
> and sitting on a kerb of 125mm in height measured vertically from and
> parallel to the ground, the surface of a boarding ramp shall have a slope
> measured over the surface referred to in sub-paragraph (3)(a) of not more
> than 7° ( amended to 8) measured relative to the ground;
>
> > (d) notwithstanding (c) above, a boarding ramp may have -
> >
> > (i) at the intersection of the surface of the kerb and the
> > surface of the ramp described above, a slope not exceeding 15° relative
> to
> > the ground over a distance of not more than 150mm (measured along the
> > surface of the ramp and parallel to the direction of travel of a
> reference
> > wheelchair when it is moved from the kerb and onto the ramp surface),
> and
> >
> > (ii) at any other point a slope not exceeding 15° relative
> > to the ground over a distance of not more than 150mm (measured along the
> > surface of the ramp and parallel to the direction of travel of a
> reference
> > wheelchair when it is moved into the vehicle) and rising to a height of
> > not more than 15mm (measured above and parallel to the surface of the
> ramp
> > or its sections);
> >
> > (e) with the vehicle on a flat surface and in the normal condition
> > for a wheelchair user to board or alight, the boarding ramp shall be
> > capable of being extended to and of sitting on that surface and in this
> > position the surface of a boarding ramp shall have a slope of not more
> > than 20° measured over the surface referred to in sub-paragraph (3)(a);
> >
> >
> It means that the ramp on a pavement of 125mm at 8 degrees will be 1 in
> 7!
> > This is much too steep for independent access.
> > In section (e) it refers to the ramp to the ground being 20 degrees
> which
> > translates into to approx. 1 in 2 which is nearly vertical and
> impossible
> > for access
> I though that I was working it out incorrectly, as my geometry and
> tan tables is not very good or maybe they had made a mistake typing
> degrees instead of % , so I phoned the Department.
> They assured me that it was degrees and that drivers could assist
> if
> the ramp was too steep.
> I would not fancy pushing someone up a 1 in 2 slope. Would that be
> a
> manual handling situation?
> So in reality we are not going to have accessible buses unless
> there
> is a high kerb. We will not be able to put high kerbs everywhere,
> especially
> on narrow roads on rural routes.
> Surely they can design a more accessible bus? Are there more
> accessible ones in other countries?
>
>
>
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