Karen
Having read the responses so far I wondered whether you have heard of a
"Scalamobile" mobile stairclimber, by Simorg ltd. Simorg Ltd tel no: 01582
484785, Director Alan Gordon. Able to offer a site visit and risk
assessment
This is equipment allows the wheelchair to be fixed directly to the
stairclimber. The wheelchair will need a slight alteration, it will need
quick release wheels fitted. In Greenwich where I work as a Local Authority
Occupational Therapist, our wheelchair service did this for us. We have
issued them on a number of occasions, where we have not been able to offer
any other solution to gaining access out of a domestic property. I actually
did a small survey to find out more about mobile stair climbers. The
results are on the following link.
http://www.otdirect.co.uk/stairclimbers.html
Mobile stair climbers are not suitable for every one and trained operators
are required. As with most situations a risk assessment of the people who
are going to use the product and of the environment is required. My survey
goes into more detail. I didn't look at their use in emergency situations,
but I think they could definitely be considered as an option.
I have sat in a Scalamobile mobile stairclimber and operated one my self and
found it very easy to use. It also overcomes manual handling issues, i.e.
if the person is non weight bearing, as no lifting is needed, the wheelchair
simply fits onto the holding device and the wheels are removed. Another
benefit is once out of the building the wheelchair wheels are reattached and
the product could be used again.
Karen Tuff
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From: "Croft Consultants" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 2:25 PM
Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees
> Hi Karen
>
> the questions are a little more complicated than your points, which are
> basically from a personal point of view, but I have been asking similar
> questions and would like some other perspectives.
> To my personal belief the rules requiring for example theatres and sports
> stadia, or even to multi-story buildings have been made without due
thought
> to emergency evacuation of disabled people and little published research
is
> available to base any corporate planning or advice.
>
> re-when trained people are off sick, the organisation needs to have an
> excess of trained people if they wish to comply. This is likely to be
beyond
> the capabilities of a small organisation. The organisation may take the
> route suggested by the DDA and assign the disabled worker to a ground
floor.
> However, even following this route the disabled person is unlikely to be
> able to attend all meetings or visit certain other people or departments
> which are essential to their work.
> making provision for disabled visitors complicates this problem how will
the
> numbers be handled?
>
> re-physically lifting, the courts have recently stated that carers and
> similar workers must lift disabled people manually, ignoring health and
> safety regulations. However, how this ruling would apply to colleagues
> lifting a disabled person in an emergency has yet to be clarified.
> While some people may be safely lifted from their usual chair to an evec
> chair, others need special handling and possibly special equipment to
avoid
> injury, What happens here?
> or, what happens if the assistants need to transfer a 28 stone man from a
> wheelchair to and evac chair?
> I have seen no proposals for handling these situations, especially in
places
> of public entertainment and more so where amateur/voluntary short term
> events have been arranged. These are generally local authority owned so
> where do the authorities stand if they cannot arrange to safely evacuate
one
> employee from a building with which they are familiar?
> for example an Amateur Society stages a musical in a municipal theatre
> Who does the planning? the society who are unlikely to have sufficient
> knowledge or the local authority who should have the expertise and
> familiarity with the building
> Who provides the trained evacuation assistants? the society or the local
> authority
> Who is responsible for providing any special equipment?
> What controls are applied to attendees? (number of wheelchair users,
> mobility and visually impaired, older people who may have limited ability
to
> move on stairs)
>
> An evacuation chair has limited usefulness during an evacuation, it takes
> ten minutes per floor to remove a person,
> According to Fire Regs once a person has left a building they should not
> re-enter, so how can the chair be re-used? and even if it could be
returned
> other slow moving evacuees are likely to be restricting use of the stairs.
> If an evac chair is to be re-used what happens to the person already in
the
> chair, are they dumped on the walkway?
> Lastly, fire doors are generally rated at thirty minutes protection and
> everyone is supposed to be evacuated before this time limit, so is taking
> the chair back into the building feasible?
>
> If anyone has any thoughts or info please contact me
>
> Dave Croft
> [log in to unmask]
>
> Croft Consultants (Health & Safety and Access)
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Karen Beattie" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 28, 2004 1:01 PM
> Subject: Re: Evacuation Lifts for Disabled Employees
>
>
> > As an access officer, who is also a wheelchair user (presently working
> from
> > home) due to the dispute on what should the risk assessment and
procedure
> > be for disabled people working above or below ground floor level, taking
> > into account a normal lift cannot be used.
> >
> > I don't have the answer but these are the questions being asked at my
> > authority -
> >
> > Evacu chairs - People need to be trained in how to use these chairs to
> > evacuate disabled people from the building, a couple of concerns
> > what happens if the trained people are out of the office, off sick or
> on
> > holiday when the chairs are needed?
> > -what happens if the disabled person has to be physically lifted
onto
> > the evacu chairs, two concerns manual moving and handling
> > recommendations - no physical lifting without auxiliary aids and/or
> > equipment
> > human rights - dignity of the disabled person being man-handled
> > what is the procedure if more than one person requires use of an
evacu
> > chair?
> >
> > I don't have the answers but am very interested in what other
authorities
> > do in their buildings in the absence of evacuation lifts.
> >
> > Karen Beattie
> > Swyddog Mynediad/Access Officer
> > Ffon/Tel 01824 708052
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> > E-mail: [log in to unmask]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Thomas, David"
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> >
> > 27/04/04 03:08 PM
> > Please respond to
> > Accessibuilt list
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Upgrading of lifts
> >
> > I would welcome any thoughts on the provision of lifts that can be used
> > as evacuation lifts for those unable to walk up and down stairs. Neither
> > the guidance on the fire regulations nor BS5588 Part 8 actually refers
> > to travelling distances for disabled people to a position of "safety" or
> > to a lift.
> >
> > My understanding, on which I'd welcome a view, is that cited
> > distances/times refer to escape via normal escape routes such as
> > stairways, and the provision of an evacuation lift is a bonus if
> > provided. If an "Evac- chair" is used it may well take longer to
> > evacuate from an adjacent stairwell than to travel to another stairwell
> > further away on the same floor and use a lift. I appreciate that the key
> > is fire prevention in the first instance (as part of the whole
> > assessment), and us making reasonable provisions.
> >
> > I'd appreciate any guidance or information on the provision of how many
> > lifts should be upgraded as Evacuation Lifts in a works premises?
> >
> > David Thomas
> > Corporate Health and Safety Advisor,
> > 66, High Street,
> > Aylesbury,
> > Buckinghamshire.
> > HP20 1SD
> > Tel. 01296 585158
> > Fax 01296 585674
> >
> >
> >
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> > Can you please help me I run the accessibuilt list and every time I
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