Hi All
in for another
I would think that communal parts of a sheltered housing complex(e.g.
laundrette, cafe, shop, swimming pool, gym, garden etc) would be Part
III even though they are only open to residents because these are part
of a service offered by the operators. Only the actual rooms/ flats/
bungalows and corridors are treated as housing. For emergency and
evacuation the complex is treated as Part III.
That is the way sheltered housing operators are expected to perform in
our county.
Dave
Al Hunt wrote:
>Here's my two pence worth on this.....
>
>Our sheltered housing is treated the same way as any other dwelling...
>
>If a resident requires any adaptations in order to access their home,
>then these are carried out on a one to one basis. Just the same as any
>other householder would under the adaptations grant scheme.
>Visitors would thus be the same as anyone visiting you or I at home. Not
>covered by the Act.
>Communal areas are accessible to the residents and if they have a
>concert or bingo then they are all able to participate. I suppose that
>visitors who enjoy the same concert or bingo would be covered by Part
>III because it is then a service. I suppose whoever is responsible for
>managing the communal part of the complex has a duty therefore under
>Part III. (The Housing Association or the Council. What if the communal
>room is considered part of the collective home though. EG what if you
>were to hold a wedding party in a marquee in the grounds of your
>home?... The mind boggles
>
>Alan
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Accessibuilt list [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
>Of John Gregory
>Sent: 26 November 2004 12:08
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Housing Associations and DDA
>
>
>Helen,
>
>No problem regarding passing on comments.
>
>John.
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: helen kane [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: 26 November 2004 11:30
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] Housing Associations and DDA
>
>
>
>Thanks all, good to see people interested in the subject.
>
>Does anyone think it appropriate to pass these comments onto the DRC and
>see what they have to say about it? They're really keen to clarify.
>The RICS working party would also be very interested. I need consent
>before I can pass info. on of course.
>
>Any clarity for surveyors would be appreciated, particularly as some
>landlords have been serving notices on tenants to undertake often
>unecessary and very expensive (eg £50k for a small shop)works under the
>"DDA" banner. Most have no idea of the difference between parts II and
>III, particularly in retail, let alone common v communal, multi-user
>areas and the lack of "public" definition.
>
>Perhaps an article?
>
>Helen
>
>
>
>>From: david croft <[log in to unmask]>
>>Reply-To: Accessibuilt list <[log in to unmask]>
>>To: [log in to unmask]
>>Subject: Re: Housing Associations and DDA
>>Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2004 10:57:41 -0000
>>
>>Hi All
>>As Marcus says I.m willing to stick my oar in.
>>
>>The way I look at it in places like residential homes we need a two
>>level
>>
>>
>definition
>
>
>>1. communal areas - areas where residents and their invited guests and
>>
>>
>relatives have access, but are not open to members of the general
>public.
>
>
>>2. Common areas- areas which are used by non-residents or non-employees
>>
>>
>
>
>
>>of
>>
>>
>the owners (be they a NHS, Housing Association or the residents
>themselves.)
>
>
>
>> 2- common areas would be covered by Part !!! and where relevant Part
>>II
>>
>>1. communal is more problematic. as
>>if residents are paying for a the 'service' (out of their pocket,
>>
>>
>insurance
>payments, NHS payments etc.) i.e. they are paying more than would be
>charged for their personal rooms, surely the building operators are
>providing a service and the communal areas would then be part of the
>'service' provided by the operator to residents and thus fall under Part
>III. while the personal rooms would be residential and fall under
>Building Regulations Part M sections 6-10.
>
>
>>with Marcus post box comment, the way I see it -
>>if they are purely for incoming mail which is sorted by the building
>>
>>
>operator's employees Part II would apply to their employees, if
>residents have to go to a specific pick up point for their box, it is a
>service and should be covered by Part III. All at the cost of the
>operator.
>
>
>>if the boxes are provided by management and a post office employee
>>sorts
>>
>>
>the mail into individual boxes this would be Part III again at the
>operator's expense.
>
>
>>if the boxes are provided by the post office this would be part II for
>>
>>
>their employees and Part III for the residents as this is a service.
>
>
>>An outgoing mail box is the post office responsibility and a Part III
>>
>>
>service.
>
>
>>Dave
>>
>>
>>----------End of Message----------
>>
>>Run by SURFACE for more information on research, consultancy and the
>>
>>
>distance taught MSc. in Accessibility and Inclusive Design programme
>visit:
>
>
>>http://www.inclusive-design.it
>>
>>Archives for the Accessibuilt discussion list are located at
>>
>>
>http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/accessibuilt.html
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is
>powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus
>service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:
>http://www.star.net.uk <http://www.star.net.uk>
>________________________________________________________________________
>----------End of Message----------
>
>Run by SURFACE for more information on research, consultancy and the
>distance taught MSc. in Accessibility and Inclusive Design programme
>visit:
>
>
>http://www.inclusive-design.it
>
>
>Archives for the Accessibuilt discussion list are located at
>http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/accessibuilt.html
>
>
>This e-mail is confidential and may contain legally privileged
>information. You should not disclose its contents to any other person.
>If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender
>immediately.
>
>Whilst the Council has taken every reasonable precaution to minimise the
>risk of computer software viruses, it cannot accept liability for any
>damage which you may sustain as a result of such viruses. You should
>carry out your own virus checks before opening the e-mail (and/or any
>attachments).
>
>Unless expressly stated otherwise, the contents of this e-mail represent
>only the views of the sender and do not impose any legal obligation upon
>the Council or commit the Council to any course of action.
>
>
>________________________________________________________________________
>This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is
>powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus
>service working around the clock, around the globe, visit:
>http://www.star.net.uk
>________________________________________________________________________
>
>----------End of Message----------
>
>Run by SURFACE for more information on research, consultancy and the
>distance taught MSc. in Accessibility and Inclusive Design programme
>visit:
>
>http://www.inclusive-design.it
>
>Archives for the Accessibuilt discussion list are located at
>http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/accessibuilt.html
>
>
>
----------End of Message----------
Run by SURFACE for more information on research, consultancy and the distance taught MSc. in Accessibility and Inclusive Design programme visit:
http://www.inclusive-design.it
Archives for the Accessibuilt discussion list are located at http://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/lists/accessibuilt.html
|