yes, there is unlikely to be any real solution which suits everyone. If a
chicane is wide enough for a scooter or powered wheelchair to use it can be
used by a motor cycle.
Cycle chicanes such as those proposed by the cycling fraternity pose a
different hazard as they are too low and in some cases allow guide dogs to
walk under them and lack tapping rails.
Except in controlled locations i.e. on private property, using a key system
of any type is exclusive to visitors or those who do not have access to the
keys the 'friends' solution only makes for a group of exclusive local users.
N.B.  Last year Swansea magistrates ruled that Yates pub. which had it's own
keys for the dis. WC had to change them to RADAR as having to ask for a key
is regarded as degrading and a lesser service as no one else had to ask for
a key. I would think using a key system on gates could be regarded in a
similar light.
The squeeze barriers may be OK for some people, however, one installed
locally has proved to be a problem for large people who cannot bend their
legs as the 580 with gap is too narrow. As for motor cycles they only slow
down the barrier does not stop them.
As Vin said the Crosby gate is probably the best all round solution. I have
a modified design drawing suitable for scooters, tricycles and powered
wheelchairs if anyone wants a copy.I do not know whether Crosby are still
manufacturing the manual wheelchair design.

Dave

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From: "Pete Leaver" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 12, 2004 9:53 AM
Subject: Re: [ACCESSIBUILT] "K" Barriers


> There is a problem with the chicane style motorbike barriers that many
> local authorities still use that the geometry is too tight for people
> who use long motorised scooters to negotiate. In these cases we have
> installed a gate at the middle barrier, which enables users to run
> straight through.
> The community park where this solution has been adopted has a very
> active "friends" group which has contacted and distributed keys to
> people who need them. However, without a nationally accepted standard
> key, the problem persists in more generally used parks and open spaces.
> On 12 Oct 2004, at 09:48, Croft Consultants wrote:
>
> > Hi
> > RADAR keys should not be used on route gates in any case as they
> > exclude the
> > general public who do not have access to RADAR keys
> > Dave
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pete Leaver" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 4:51 PM
> > Subject: [ACCESSIBUILT] "K" Barriers
> >
> >
> >> We were recently told by RADAR that they no longer make a lock
> >> suitable
> >> for external gates. they do make a padlock, but we felt that this
> >> would
> >> be so difficult to use that it would soon be abandoned. It would be
> >> interesting to know if the situation has changed.
> >>
> >> Pete Leaver
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