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Re: Antw: Re: [SPM] Non-discrete parameter values and intersession event averaging

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Will Penny <[log in to unmask]>

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Will Penny <[log in to unmask]>

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Thu, 7 Oct 2004 10:40:15 +0100

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Ignacio Vallines wrote:

 > Hi Will,
 >
 > Many thansk for your reply,
 >
 > My design is actually way too big to use the GUI, so I was using a version of Karl's Batch in
 > which I enter the parameters in a piece of code like this (that is why I never saw the option):
 >
 > SPM.Sess(ii).U(5).P(1).P = abs(RTs1(1:end,2)/1000.);% SPM.Sess(ii).U(5).P(1).i =[1 2]; 
SPM.Sess(ii).U(5).P(1).h
 >  = 1;
 >
 > soooo, you mean just by changing the h field to 2 ???? uhmmm thats is not too complicated...
 > nothing like knowing where to look!!!
 >

Another idea here is to go thru the GUI for just one subject then save the SPM.mat

Then you can have a look at the data structure that was created and then
edit this appropriately for the other subjects.

 > any ideas about intersession averaging???? it another of those things I have bben seraching
 > around for a long time... and maybe there is also a simple solution!
 >
 > many many thanks!!!
 >
 > Nacho
 >
 > Institut für experimentelle Psychologie University of Regensburg Universitaetsstrasse 31 93053
 > Regensburg, Germany Email: [log in to unmask]  Tel. +49 941 943 38
 > 49 Fax. +49 941 943 32 33
 >
 >
 >
 >>>> Will Penny <[log in to unmask]> 01.10.2004 17:12:48 >>>
 >>>>
 >
 >
 > Ignacio Vallines wrote:
 >
 >
 >> Hello,
 >>
 >> I am a bit confused about what SPM does when you add a non discrete parameter to your events.
 >>
 >> I have an event related design in which events are entered in the SPM design with a non
 >> discrete
 >>
 > parameter
 >
 >> value between 0 and 5000 (i.e. reaction times in ms). I have about 40 events per run, so there are
 >>  virtually no two events with the same parameter (so that no averaging is possible).
 >>
 >> SPM2 appears to take the parameters to pre-set the height of the HRF, assuming the parameter
 >> to behave linearly* and then it just fits the slope to the data* how should I interpret
 >> this??? can anyone explain me what it really does???
 >>
 >> Since I have a short TR of 1.3 secs, my na*ve intention would be to fit one hrf to each event,
 >>  then plot the beta values for all of the events and then try to find what the optimal fit
 >> function to these points is. Does this make sense??? Is there an easy way to do it???
 >>
 >>
 >
 > You need to enter the reaction time as a 'parametric modulator'.
 >
 > After entering the events SPM will prompt you for parametric modulation. Say yes. Then enter the
 >  reaction time variable (a list of 40 numbers - one for each event).
 >
 > SPM will prompt for you linear or quadratic modulation - you can go for quadratic here - to test
 >  for nonlinear modulations of hemodynamic response by reaction time (RT). SPM will then create
 > 3 regressor for this event (1) delta functions convolved with an HRF, (2) delta functions whos
 > height is multiplied by RT then convolved with an HRF and (3) delta functions whos height is
 > multiplied by square of RT the convolved with HRF. You can then use an F-contrast to see if RT
 > has an effect on BOLD response (whether linear or otherwise).
 >
 > Best,
 >
 > Will.
 >
 >
 >
 >> Another problem I am crashing against, is the impossibility of averaging events from different
 >>
 > sessions
 >
 >> (data collected on different scan days, for example). Plotting events from different session seems
 >>  not possible from the GUI, I stepped through the spm_grahp.m code and played with the workspace
 >>  variables and realized that they where not properly normalized/scaled* is there a trick to
 >> improve this???? it seems to be a satandard feature in other packages??? how do people do
 >> this in SPM2???
 >>
 >> I would really appreciate some help on these two issues*
 >>
 >> Many thanks!
 >>
 >> Nacho
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >> Institut f?r experimentelle Psychologie University of Regensburg Universitaetsstrasse 31 93053
 >>
 > Regensburg,
 >
 >> Germany Email: [log in to unmask]  Tel. +49 941 943 38 49 Fax. +49 941
 >>  943 32 33
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >>
 >
 >


-- 
William D. Penny
Wellcome Department of Imaging Neuroscience
University College London
12 Queen Square
London WC1N 3BG

Tel: 020 7833 7475
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URL: http://www.fil.ion.ucl.ac.uk/~wpenny/

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