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Thanks Jim. Of course, there is the excellent model (once again a
Dominican) of Peter of Verona (aka Peter Martyr), who as he was dying wrote
on the ground in his own blood "Credo in unum Deum."
Tom
At 11:23 AM 12/10/2003 -0600, you wrote:
>medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
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>Did not the word "martyr" originally mean "witness"? Is there perhaps any
>literature
>on martyrs, along the lines of them witnessing Christ with their own blood?
>Cheers,
>Jim Bugslag
>
>On 10 Dec 2003 at 10:17, F. Thomas Luongo wrote:
>
> > medieval-religion: Scholarly discussions of medieval religion and culture
> >
> > Thanks, John. Simone Martini's St. Dominic "writing" with a lilly is
> > indeed one of the images I had in mind. Indeed, Joanna Cannon made this
> > observation in 1982 in an article on Simone Martini and the Dominicans,
> > though did not say more than that Dominic looks like he is writing. What I
> > would like to know is whether there is any development of this idea in
> > medieval religious literature.
> >
> > By the way, one small mistake in your description of the images you very
> > helpfully supplied--but a mistake that illustrates the point. In the Pisa
> > altarpiece that you identify as showing Dominic and Catherine of Siena,
> > that would be Dominic and Catherine of Alexandria. And I think what they
> > are holding are martyrs' palms, not quills. But as you have demonstrated,
> > they do look like quills!
> >
> > For an image of several saints, in which some are holding quills and some
> > palms or lilies, all in the same manner, see for instance Beato Angelico's
> > Annalena Altarpiece:
> >
> > http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/html/a/angelico/altar/index.html
> >
> > There are several other examples of Angelico altarpieces that would also
> > make this point, but I couldn't find links to them quickly.
> >
> > By the way, it has occurred to me that this might be a particular feature
> > of Dominican art.
> >
> > Tom
> >
> > At 12:13 AM 12/10/2003 -0600, you wrote:
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> > >
> > >With respect, Erik, I think Tom is onto something. Your group of children
> > >might very well exhibit different ways of holding a lily or a palm frond,
> > >just as different ways of holding these are illustrated here:
> > >
> > >http://employees.oneonta.edu/farberas/arth/Images/ARTH_214images/van_ey
> ck/ghent/annunciation_angel.jpg
> > >detail:
> > >http://www.feedback.nildram.co.uk/richardebbs/essays/images/annuncvaney
> ck.jpg
> > >
> > >and here:
> > >http://www.op-stjoseph.org/nuns/olgrace/images/Dom-lily.jpg
> > >(St. Dominic, whom we'll see again)
> > >
> > >and here:
> > >http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/o/oost/elder/f_martyr.jpg
> > >Not medieval, but note that she's not gripping the frond in a way that
> > >would allow her to write were the frond a quill. For that you really need
> > >the thumb and two other fingers pressing on the implement.
> > >
> > >So even this frequently seen manner of holding a lily (thumb and only one
> > >other finger doing the holding) doesn't suggest writing:
> > >http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/sta05001.jpg
> > >
> > >On the other hand, note how Dominic and Catherine of Siena are holding
> > >quills here:
> > >http://www.kfki.hu/~arthp/art/s/simone/4altars/3pisa/3pisa.jpg
> > >or how Dominic is doing that here with his lily that is also a quill:
> > >http://www.magdalene.org/withsaints/martini2.jpg
> > >
> > >And Catherine of Siena is shown here holding her lily with fingers in the
> > >right position to write were the object a quill:
> > >http://www.prosanctitate.org/images/m_scaterin.jpg
> > >
> > >When the fingers are in that position, it is reasonable to think of a
> > >quill, even if the object depicted is instead a palm frond or a lily. How
> > >often that occurs I couldn't say; it may be significant that in this case
> > >there are also depictions of the saint in question holding a quill
> (see above).
> > >
> > >Best,
> > >John Dillon
> > >
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