I have tried but I can not see the difference between "any administrative work
which arises out of the clinical work" and "any clinically related
administrative work". But remind me who it was who said we should take this
contract because he certainly felt he could make it work for him. How, he
never said.
JP
>>> Andrew Hobart 11/01/03 08:12pm >>>
It is a complex issue but yes Schedule 7 on Premium time only applies
from April 2004.
So when working out back pay you cannot make any allowance for premium
time. You should be agreeing a job plan based on what you do now, not a
completely new job plan. As long as you do 40 hours or more total work
of all sorts you should be OK. If you are one of the exceptional group
of Consultants who does less than 40 hours a week you may be better off
staying on your current contract for now.
I am a little concerned by your reference to your 7.5 clinical sessions.
A number of doctors and managers are under the impression that the 7.5
direct clinical care (DCC) session in the new contract is equivalent to
the 7 fixed sessions (usually all clinical) under the old contract. This
is not the case. The DCC sessions include fixed clinical sessions (eg
shopfloor sessions for A&E Consultants who work this way) but also any
administrative work which arises out of the clinical work and any
clinically related administrative work.
How much of your 7.5 sessions of clinical work are you expecting to be
shopfloor and how much clinical admin?
I currently do a fair bit of clinical work in what will become premium
time.
I will get a very small payrise by moving onto the new contract now but
providing my Trust agrees to pay me for my premium time session rather
than asking me to take time off in lieu I will get a fairly substantial
rise next April. If they don't agree now to pay me for premium time I
wont be taking the new contract.
Andrew Hobart
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Sent: 01 November 2003 16:09
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Yes, I wondered about this, Andrew. Can I presume, then, that whatever
arrangements we flesh out with our managers over the next few months
won't
get implemented until next April? But then aren't we going to get back
pay
for the new contract from last April? So what are we supposed to do
then,
work some sort of hybrid rota up until next April, with either longer
hours
or lower pay?
I think this is important to clarify as under the new contract I, for
one,
will only just make up my 40 total hours and my 7.5 clinical sessions by
working a considerable amount of premium time (under the new contract my
premium time work will contribute to one third of my total salary). So
if my
premium time work is only 3/4 value for the first few months as you're
suggesting, then this will make things very difficult for me and my
colleagues, i.e. we will have to work another session or take a 10% drop
in
salary until next April.
Adrian Fogarty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Hobart" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2003 12:49 PM
Subject: Re: Naive Question
> Not till April 2004.
> The time and a third rate does not come in till April. Till then your
6
> hours is only 1.5 sessions.
> Also your job plan is meant to be an average so if you typically spend
6
> hours a week in premium time on admin then yes this would be 2
sessions.
>
> Andrew Hobart
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