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Subject:

Re: Staff Grade out-of-hours work and remuneration

From:

Andrew Hobart <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Accident and Emergency Academic List <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 23 Aug 2003 18:56:14 +0100

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SHOs do not get paid the same hourly rate for days shifts and night
shifts. Since the abolition of ADHs SHOs no longer get an hourly rate.
They get a salary which includes a supplement depending on the number of
hours actually worked and the proportion of out of hours work.
This does however mean that within fairly wide bands they get no
additional pay for an increased number of hours or an increased
proportion of antisocial hour (provided this stays within the same
band).

However compare the salary of a hypothetical SHO who worked 40 hours a
week all between 7am and 7pm Monday to Friday (basic salary only) with
the salary of an SHO who works 48 hours with at least 1/3 of these
outside 7am to 7pm Monday to Friday (1.5 times basic salary). The
additional 8 hours attract a 50 per cent increase in total pay
equivalent to an "overtime rate" of 250 per cent.
Of course this overtime rate incorporates within it the allowance for at
last 16 of the 48 hours being antisocial.

Andrew Hobart



-----Original Message-----
From: Accident and Emergency Academic List
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Rowley Cottingham
Sent: 22 August 2003 23:30
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Staff Grade out-of-hours work and remuneration

We are in the conundrum of the full shift here. I already get grief from
SHOs paid the same per hour for a night full
shift as a day full shift, and yet it was not so long ago that we worked
for ADHs, and were being paid less per
night than the porters.

> On 22/8/03 9:04 PM, "Rowley Cottingham"
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >> On 8/18/03 6:11 AM, "Rowley Cottingham"
> >> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Difficult. A lot depends on what you want the staff grade to do,
> > what
> >>> THEY are
> >>> prepared to do,
> >>> and how much you feel they should be awake at night. I have a
strong
> >>> concern
> >>> about
> >>> Consultants covering the days and NCCGs the nights developing.
> >>>
> >>> However, a rule of thumb that seems to work is as follows:
> >>>
> >>> On the shop floor - 1 session = 1 session.
> >>>
> >>> On call, likely to come to shop floor 50-100% of time 1 session =
> >>> 4hrs.
> >>> On call, likely to come to shop floor 25-50% of time 1 session =
> > 6hrs.
> >>> On call, likely to come to shop floor under 25% of time 1 session
=
> >>> 8hrs.
> >>>
> >>> All other rules about time off after, as per normal.
> >>>
> >>> This requires diary carding, but is a good compromise that staff
> >>> grades etc
> >>> can work with.
> >>>
> >>> Best wishes,
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Rowley Cottingham
> >>>
> >>> [log in to unmask]
> >>> http://www.emergencyunit.com
> >>>
> >> This seems a little different from the other proposals where night
> > time
> >> working would attract a premium.
> >>
> >> How is a session defined
> >>
> >> Mick
> >>
> >>
> > So you work 50% of the time on the shop floor and get paid a session
> > and
> > that's not a premium?!
> >
> > Best wishes,
> >
> >
> > Rowley Cottingham
> >
> > [log in to unmask]
> > http://www.emergencyunit.com
> >
> I have just come from positions where 100% of time is spent for middle
> grades on shop floor .
>
> Your formula would benefit an individual more who does not have to
work
> very
> much.
>
> Earlier threads had mentioned premiums for lates/overnights. I was
just
> a
> little confused when your suggestion seems to benefit those where they
> will
> have to do the least work
>
> mick
>
>


Best wishes,


Rowley Cottingham

[log in to unmask]
http://www.emergencyunit.com

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