Any chance of them naming these 'certain' universities?

This is starting to sound like the irish situation where tasmanians are
excluded as they don't graduate from an australian uni (!). When I asked
about this I was told that when the rules were incorporated (1930s) Tas
wasn't part of australia (actually joined around 1920, I believe).

What are the grounds for inclusion/exclusion on this list?

Fiona.

>
>Further information regarding the GMC
>
>Ray McGlone
>A&E Lancaster
>
>
>"Thank you for your e mail of 17 May about changes to the registration >of
doctors who have qualified in South Africa, Australia and New Zealand >etc.
I am sorry we have not replied sooner.
>
>The amendments to the Medical Act 1983 that came into effect last year
>mean that the primary medical qualifications awarded by certain
>universities in Australia, Hong Kong, New Zealand, Singapore and South
>Africa, and the University of the West Indies, are no longer recognised
>for full or provisional registration in the UK. It has long been one of
>our objectives to replace the two-tier system of limited and
>provisional/full registration for overseas-qualified doctors with a
>single form of registration. The main impetus for this was to ensure
>equal treatment for all doctors who qualified outside the European
>Economic Area.
>
>Although the changes came into effect on 17 December 2002, the amending
>legislation did include some transitional provisions. Briefly, these
>allowed for the previous arrangements to be kept in place until 31
>December 2003 for doctors who are awarded their qualifications before 31
>October 2003. Moreover, doctors granted provisional registration before
>31 December 2003 will be able to apply for full registration at any time
>thereafter.
>
>These changes do not mean that graduates of these universities will no
>longer be able to obtain registration in the UK, however. As with >doctors
qualifying elsewhere in world they will be eligible to apply for >limited
registration, provided they can demonstrate that they have the >knowledge,
skill and experience appropriate for practice in the UK.  >They can do this
in a number of ways, and not just by taking the PLAB >test - they can also
demonstrate their capability for practice by >providing evidence of
completion of basic specialist training to the >satisfaction of the
appropriate UK medical Royal College or Faculty; by >being selected for
postgraduate training by a Royal College or Faculty >or by a small number
of postgraduate institutions; or by being appointed >to a Type 1 SpR post.
Doctors who have been granted limited registration >can usually proceed to
full registration after 12 months.
>
>These same changes to the Medical Act also created a new direct route to
>full registration for all overseas-qualified specialists, irrespective >of
where they have qualified. To be granted full registration by this >new
route a doctor has to have been found eligible for inclusion in the
>Specialist Register by the Specialist Training Authority (STA) of the
>medical Royal Colleges. "
>
>Customer Relations
>Registration Directorate
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
>  From: Rob Dawes
>  To: [log in to unmask]
>  Sent: Friday, May 30, 2003 11:38 PM
>  Subject: Re: GMC Registration
>
>
>  Well at least its easier for SA docs to come to the UK (even with >PLAB)
than for us to work and register in SA. Ive found it impossible. >Even with
two job offers, one from Ken Boffard, the other from a doc who >actually
sits on the HPC board (Cleeve Robertson), its impossible to >jump through
all the hoops. They did relent and say if i sat the SA med >school finals
then i could work for free!!
>
>  Incredible.
>
>  We've given up and so the girlfriend (SA national) is moving here. So
>SA has lost two docs effectively.
>
>  Rob Dawes
>    -----Original Message-----
>    From: Accident and Emergency Academic List
>[mailto:[log in to unmask]]On Behalf Of Danny McGeehan
>    Sent: 29 May 2003 23:51
>    To: [log in to unmask]
>    Subject: GMC Registration
>
>
>    The GMC appear not to have publicised this change. I only found out
>about it from a South African doctor and then had it confirmed via an
>HR(medical staffing) contact with the GMC. It certainly isn't anywhere >in
plain English on the GMC site.......... together with the >implications!
>
>    Perhaps I'll start learning Polish (they vote to join the EU on June
>8th/9th).
>
>    Ray
>      ----- Original Message -----
>      From: Jonathan Marrow
>      To: [log in to unmask]
>      Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 8:04 PM
>      Subject: Re: GMC Registration
>
>
>      Dear Ray
>      THanks very much for pointing this out.  I have just been talking
>to someone in the JCHST about the same issue.  One part (DoH) seems to >be
pressing for us to recruit more docs from overseas while another >(GMC)
seems set to make life more difficult for them.
>
>      I went to the GMC website and I must say I did not find myself >much
wiser.  Did you find it helpful?
>
>      Thanks for your message
>      Hope you are not working the weekend...I am!!
>      All the best
>      Jonathan
>
>        ----- Original Message -----
>        From: Ray McGlone
>        To: [log in to unmask]
>        Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 6:35 PM
>        Subject: GMC Registration
>
>
>
>        I thought you should be aware of this. This means effectively
>that all doctors qualifying outside the EU or Switzerland will need to
>sit the PLAB in future.
>
>        This will severely reduce the number of doctors from New >Zealand,
Australia and South Africa from coming to the UK for short >periods to
work.
>
>        Ray McGlone
>
>        ----- Original Message -----
>        From: GMC Registration Services
>        To: 'Ray McGlone'
>        Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2003 4:08 PM
>        Subject: RE: GMC registration for South African doctors
>
>
>        Dear Mr McGlone
>
>        Thank you for your email.
>
>
>        On 17 December 2002, primary medical qualifications under >Section
19 of the Medical Act 1983, formerly recognised by the GMC for >provisional
and full registration, will only be accepted for limited >registration with
effect from 1 January 2004. There is a one year >transitional period, and
if a doctor wishes to apply for provisional or >full registration he/she
must do so before 1 January 2004. If they >obtain provisional registration
before this date, they will then be >eligible to move to full registration
as there is no time limit for >doctors wanting to move from provisional to
full registration.
>
>        Doctors who qualify on or after 31 October 2003 do not benefit
>from the transitional arrangements.
>
>        Please visit the GMC's website at: www.gmc-uk.org for >information
about the scope of limited registration and information >about the changes.
The website is frequently updated and you should >visit the site at regular
intervals.
>
>        Yours sincerely
>
>        Hilary Dunne
>
>        Initial Inquiries
>
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