Mark, Amanda, Ian, et.al
Thank you for your replies.
I think that the argument that NLP is based on research, cognitive,
neurological or whatever
else is a very weak argument to justify it. Some of last centuries greatest
war criminals claimed that their actions were based on research and they had
also research results to present.
I think that this is just the big problem with NLP that they impress all
kind of folks with the tern neurological etc. research, people who have
almost or not any education, and the "research" is than translated in baby
talk metaphors and people are told this is true. Critical thinking on what
they get is not encouraged because the leaders of this movement present a
theory based on research. The stare blinking eyes of pictures I have seen of
folks on the internet and the person I met, impressed me as people that are
really locked into a world of their own and if hearing another empathicly
this seems to me fake or not at all.
Also the shortness of this courses and NO general PREeducation needed AT
ALL!! makes me really wonder how UKCP can accept it as anything at all.
Well, may be they can review their decision. That it may help some people,
ok, that can be, so does the sunshine for some.
Best,
Shlomit
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Amanda Poyner" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: NLP technique recognized by Bacp?
> Dear Shlomit,
>
> Yes ..... I am sitting on the sidelines a bit in this NLP world. I
> have several trains of thought about it. One from experience as an
> ex-smoker, who found that NLP was the clincher for me to have personal
> power to give up by CHOICE.
>
> However, that said I am aware that it's a very quick form of CHANGE.
> As a person centred counsellor, integrative, I am open to some
> techniques as valid in some situations, with some people, at some time
> in their therapeutic process, but most of all, I am blown away by the
> process itself, however long it may take for one person to achieve what
> for them may be 'good enough', or, 'thank you, I feel okay with life
> now, I don't need this/you anymore."
>
> We live in a hurried world. Fast, is order of the day. For some the
> speed of NLP is attractive, and it works. For others, it may leave
> them standing, still wondering what's going on.
>
> I guess Shlomit, there are many journeys, and as many ways to travel.
> I am a counsellor. Here on this list there are people from all walks
> of the therapeutic field, and all branches. Difference and diversity
> after all, are alive and well and thriving here. I celebrate that. I
> also celebrate your wisdom and sharing at times throughout the previous
> months, as many of your postings have made me think, and re-think.
>
> You are right, there is an infectious element to NLP; it can be
> catching, if that is were our passion for learning and being in the
> world, is taking us. I feel a celebration for those who feel they have
> found a way, either for themselves or to help others. If it works for
> them, then they will find themselves drawn to it.
>
> I once knew an NLP practitioner and trainer (the one who helped me to
> give up smoking, as it happens). This person was/is passionate about
> helping people. One day, in our talks together, (s)he told me that at
> birth, their twin had died. In a moments insight, all our previous
> conversations came folding into place, in a smooth CLICK. I understood
> many things about why this person was an NLP practitioner, why people
> who needed 'mending' found (s)he was able to help so well. (s)he had
> spent an entire lifetime, to date, trying to 'mend' the one thing that
> couldn't be mended. Their own loss. No matter how much quick therapy
> there was available, or how many other people they mended, until that
> one insight dropped into place, their life was/had been empty and
> unavailable to them, caught up in the hurry to 'mend'.
>
> Sometimes, it is time and place, and readiness which are most
> important. Until that moment we are not open to the energy offered,
> for person change.
>
> Thank you once again Shlomit, for opening up the possibility for
> greater sharing.
>
> With Many Best Wishes
> Amanda
>
> On Wednesday, April 2, 2003, at 03:04 pm, Shlomit C. Schuster wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > I just am curious to know if there is an official statement available
> > of Bacp or any other professional counseling organization about NLP and
> > there techniques. As I already stated before is seems to me that NLP
> > people
> > are into a quite cheap type of bigtalk nonsense under the "science"
> > flag.
> > An other EST phenomenon but now claiming to do mind processing.
> >
> > Has this group been carefully investigated? It seems to me nothing but
> > a
> > true sect, although some accredited psychologists seem to support this
> > group. But so what.. . Please go out and encounter them to get a taste
> > of
> > what they do and how. Just blablabla brainwash, no dialogue what so
> > ever
> > possible. If any non NLP person has a different opinion I look
> > forwards to
> > hearing this.
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Shlomit
> >
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> > Journal of Radical Psychology
> > www.radpsynet.org/journal/index.html
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> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Henry Whitfield" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 12:26 PM
> > Subject: Re: New Member
> >
> >
> >> Dear Mark,
> >>
> >> One of the 'Power Therapies' is an NLP technique.
> >>
> >> http://www.tir.org/metapsy/sorensen.htm . Visual/ Kinesthetic
> >> Dissociation (V/KD). The link is an interview of someone who trained
> >> in
> >> all for power therapies that Charles Figley brought together for his
> >> study.
> >>
> >> The main developer of TIR Dr. F. Gerbode was familiar with Gestalt.
> >> However I think he was more impressed with Rogers, Freud, Polanyi,
> >> Kuhn
> >> and Tart. TIR is based on a freudian concept of chains of traumatic
> >> incidents feeding each other. Its person centred side is quite
> >> Rogerian,
> >> although different in that TIR is more directive. In terms of
> >> effectiveness I would say TIR was a large stride forward, rather than
> >> a
> >> refinement. There are of course simlarities between most techniques. I
> >> don't know if anything is truly from another planet. On a theoretical
> >> level TIR has lots of old, well established ideas in it. Pavlov is
> >> another influence. It is on a practical level that it comes into its
> >> own. The method of teaching and applying it is very well structured.
> >> It
> >> is so clear what to do that an experienced practitioner can almost
> >> enable a person to overcome their trauma without having to think about
> >> it. They define very clearly what does or doesn't make a session
> >> effective, and the model works a treat.
> >>
> >> I have heard the name but am not familiar with William Emerson. Do you
> >> have an links to article on his work?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Henry
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Discussion on theoretical and research issues in counselling
> >> psychology [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Mark Dean
> >> Sent: 02 April 2003 10:12
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: New Member
> >>
> >>
> >> Henry
> >> Welcome.
> >>
> >> Having had a quick look through the material at: http://www.tir.org/ I
> >> find myself wondering how these "Power Therapies" differ substantively
> >> from some of the NLP techniques. I can also see Gestalt and
> >> Psychodrama
> >> in there. I'd be interested to know if TIR has developed independently
> >> or is it developed from these earlier models. Is it an
> >> evolution/refinement or a 100 Monkey effect? Also have you come across
> >> William Emerson's work on Stress and Trauma? Mark
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Discussion on theoretical and research issues in counselling
> >> psychology [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Norman
> >> Claringbull
> >> Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:28 PM
> >> To: [log in to unmask]
> >> Subject: Re: New Member
> >>
> >>
> >> Dear Henry,
> >>
> >> I should be most interested to hear from you about the research
> >> backing
> >> your claim that TIR is a useful trauma reduction methodology. In
> >> addition, have you any statistics, (take up, outcome, evidence based
> >> practice etc), to support your claim that TIR is "one of the leading
> >> methods for resolving PTSD".
> >>
> >>
> >> Norman
> >>
> >
>
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